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Scientists plan $1.5bn laser strong enough 'to tear the fabric of space'

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  1. Realjad

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    "Scientists plan $1.5bn laser strong enough 'to tear the fabric of space'

    By Daily Mail Reporter
    Last updated at 6:54 PM on 30th October 2011

    A laser powerful enough to tear apart the fabric of space could be built in Britain.

    The major scientific project will follow in the footsteps of the Large Hadron Collider and will answer questions about the universe.

    The laser will be capable of producing a beam of light so intense that it will be similar to the light the earth receives from the sun but focused on a speck smaller than a pin prick.

    Scientists say it will be so powerful they will be able to boil the very fabric of space and create a vacuum.

    A vacuum fizzles with mysterious particles that come in and out of existence but the phenomenon happens so fast that no-one has ever actually been able to prove it.

    It is hoped the Extreme Light Infrastructure Ultra-High Field Facility would allow scientists to prove the particles are real by pulling the vacuum fabric apart.

    Scientists even believe it might help them to prove whether other dimensions actually exist.

    Professor John Collier, a scientific leader for the ELI project and director of the Central Laser Facility at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Didcot, Oxfordshire, said the laser would be the most powerful on earth.

    'At this kind of intensity we start to get into unexplored territory as it is an area of physics that we have never been before,' he told the Sunday Telegraph.

    The ELI ultra-high field laser, which will be completed by the end of the decade, will cost £1bn and the UK is among a number of European countries in the running to house it.

    The European Commission has already authorised plans for three more lasers which will become prototypes for the ultra-high field laser.

    Scientists hope the laser will also allow them to see how particles inside an atom behave and it is hoped it might be able to explain the mystery of why the universe contains more matter than previously detected by revealing what dark matter really is.

    HOW IT WILL WORK

    The ultra-high field laswer will be made up of 10 beams - each more powerful than the prototype lasers.

    It will produce 200 petawatts of power - more than 100,000 times the power of the world's combined electricity production but in less than a trillionth a second.

    The energy needed to power the laser will be stored up beforehand and then used to produce a beams several feet wide which will then be combined and eventually focused down onto a tiny spot.

    The intensity of the beam is so powerful and will produce such extreme conditions, that do not even exist in the center of the sun."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055360/Giant-1bn-laser-strong-tear-fabric-space-built-Britain.html

    Holy Sh/t, just when you don't think things could get much crazier :eek:
     
  2. mrm32

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    Next thing you'll hear is that they plan on testing this out on December 21, 2012. The end is among us. :(
     
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    to think people complained about the fuel consumption of hummers
     
  5. xcrunner51

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    Now how will they attach said laser to the head of a frickin shark?
     
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    Still wouldn't stop her...

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  8. Yao11

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    So..................what was this thread about, again?
     
  9. RedRedemption

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    The idea of discovering another dimension is just mindblowing.
    I want to live to see that day.
     
  10. heypartner

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    That's what I immediately thought. But, the article says the 200 PW of power is only used for 1 trillionth of a second.

    That equals a mere .05556 kWh of energy consumption; (see my spoiler for the math).

    Laser experts, help us here:
    Do these pulse lasers that can fire for a few femtoseconds (1 trillionth second), waste a lot of energy to generate that pulse? Or do they have to fire for a longer time prior to being focused to a tiny point (as the article says)?

    For each tenth of a second that 200 PWs is used, that is around $10 million of consumption.

    Code:
    1 petawatt = 10E+15 watts
    200 PW = 2E+17 watts
    2E+17 w times 1 kW/1000 w = 2E+14 kW
    
    so, [B]2E+14 kilowatts[/B] of powers is used 
    
    1/1,000,000,000,000 seconds = 1E+12 seconds
    0.000277778 hours are in a second
    sec times hours/sec = hours
    
    so, [B]2.77778E-16[/B] hours is length of time the 200 PWs are used
    
    Energy = power * time
    
    so,
    
    2E+14 kilowatts X 2.77778E-16 = [B]5.555556E-02 kWhs[/B]
    
    
     
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    Gotta love those alarmist headlines, anything to frighten the public and generate hits.
     
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    Seems like they're skipping a few steps. What can we do with Lasers now? Track a computer mouse movement, aid in powerpoint presentations... and.... let's see... there's lasertag....What's next? SHOOT A HOLE IN SPACE LOOKING FOR THE NEXT DIMENSION!!!

    Seriously, didn't they leave out the part where lasers do something a little more .... I don't know.... laserish?
     
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    But what about the terr'sts? Use it on them?
     
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    Leaked pic of core powering up:

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    So everything stated in the article before this is basically a guess?

    Nice.
     
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    I love how the article ends with "The intensity of the beam is so powerful and will produce such extreme conditions, that do not even exist in the center of the sun." As if the center of the Sun would be extraordinary in any way, astrophysically speaking.

    And what's up with this: "Scientists say it will be so powerful they will be able to boil the very fabric of space and create a vacuum." Vacuum is empty space, not absence of space.

    Also funny how the single quote doesn't even come close to supporting the sensationalism of the article.
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    What could possibly go wrong?

    Actually, what I'm more impressed with is the battery they're going to use to store up all this energy to fire the laser in the first place.
     
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    i'd like some physicists to chime in on this; the energy required to do 200 PW for a trillionth of a second is a fraction of a kWh--pennies. Or my math is wrong in my previous post.

    So, obviously,these lasers have to fire for longer before they can be narrowed to a tiny spot...each tenth of a second at 200 PW is roughly $11 million (at wholesale kWh prices--$.02). Plus, I think pulse lasers can do 100 PW in a femtoseconds of energy already, but just not focused on a very small point.

    My guess is the battery technology is not an issue, since 100 PW lasers already exist. Also, containing the unknown once it happens is probably a huge expense.
     
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    Lasers are so uncivilized.

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