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Bash me if you will, but I bring the truth

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Cipherous, Nov 16, 2002.

  1. Cipherous

    Cipherous Member

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    The rocks need a REAL point guard like Stockton, Bibby, Andre Miller, Kidd or even Davis, whos part shooting guard also :) . Don't settle for a good shooting guard disguised as a point guard. Mobley and Francis are great shooting guards but lacks the mentality of a point guard. Just like Marbury when he played for the Nets, Steve is being a stat monster. He needs to get the team involved and Rudy needs to get some balls and tell him that. Steve might be the leading rebounder but then again, the rockets aren't really a good rebounding team so he's bound to get some boards.
    A good comparison to Steve is Baron Davis, both have the ability to score, atheletic and leaders. But Baron Davis sets up the offense and gets David Wesley and Mashburn involved and the rest of the team. Although Steve ousts Davis in rebounding, Davis gets more steals and almost twice the number of assists. Its nice if a point guard can rebound but I rather have a point guard who can sets up the team, keeps the team in check and dishes out some assists.

    If I was Les, bash me if you will

    Trade Mobley for a point guard that will set up the plays and control the tempo of the offense and bring the ball up without turning it over. If the rockets could work out a deal to get Andre Miller, that would be awesome! However, the clips wouldn't be that stupid. The only problem is that I don't think the Rockets will get a point guard like Miller that is on the calibur of Mobley.

    With a point guard, move Steve up to the 2 where he should play
    and let him go off the dribble where he can do the most damage.
     
  2. TheReasonSF3

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    You are r****ded. Steve has one bad game and it's time to trade him? Do you see how bad Miller is doing in LA????????
     
  3. Charles V

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    C'mon. Steve is the most dangerous player in Houston right now, he is not the problem...he is part of the solution. There are 4 other guys on the court every time Steve has the ball, maybe you should look to them for whatever problem you are trying to solve.
     
  4. TheReasonSF3

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    Steve has played tremendous in 6 out of 7 games this season. You can't expect him to never have a bad night. Look at Andre Miller. His team sucks.
     
  5. Cipherous

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    I am not saying to trade Steve, I am just saying to move him up to the 2 spot where he should play. No doubt, he's playing awesome, hes leading the team in scoring and rebounds but hes not getting the team involved like a point guard should. I am just saying he'd make a really good 2 guard though and the Rockets and Steve would be better off.
     
  6. Cipherous

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    Nor was I bashing Steve either.
     
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    The Rockets would not be better off trading Cat. Cat and Steve make up the best backcourt in the business. Just because we lose 1 game doesn't mean that we have to go out and make risky trades.
     
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    Last year, the Clippers were loaded with talent. However, they never molded as a team. In the offseason, the solution to their problems was Andre Miller. Well, Miller has been playing well, but the team is worse than last year. Getting a "true" point guard is nice in theory, but may prove to be less effective in reality. Steve is our PG and he is bad ass. Nuff said.
     
  9. TheReasonSF3

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    Great point rez. We are fine as we are now.
    And also, do you know how pissed off Steve would be if we traded the Cat?
     
  10. GATER

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    I don't want to trade Francis or Mobley and I dread the results of Francis getting posted up by the much taller SG's around the league but - let's keep things in perspective about Millers' success with the Clipps.

    1) The Cavs aren't exactly setting the world on fire with their part of the trade - Darius Miles.

    2) The Clipps also lost McInnis who was very solid off of the bench.

    3) Q has been injured and Odom has yet to play a game (he played in 29 last year).

    4) 3 of the Clippers 5 losses have been to playoff teams.

    IMO, it's way to early to pass judgement on Miller at LA.
     
  11. Chip123456

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    Trade mobley for Brent Barry, an intelligent shooting guard with a point guard mentality. He'd be a perfect fit on this team. We already have a point guard who likes to shoot (and he's good at it) so why not get another guard who will do all the intangibles. Great fit, i'm telling you.
     
  12. TheReasonSF3

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    Are you kidding? Mobley for Barry? Barry isn't even that good. Steve would get pissed off and it would hurt are team. That would be a terrible trade!
     
  13. Chip123456

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    Barry is a hell of a lot more team oriented than mobley. I don't see any team play in him and this dates back from about 2 years ago. Yeah, every now and then he passes but barry lets the game come to him and mobley forces the issue. Mobley and Francis are the same type of guards. (scoring) Barry would provide steals and defense and play passing lanes which mobley doesn't have any idea of doing. Numbers dont match but championship teams dont win by stats, they win by intangibles.
     
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    By the way, who cares if he gets pissed, i remember him being the starting point guard and not the GM.
     
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    very good point!!!
    i'm tired of this selfish guards team.
     
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    The guards aren't that selfish, the loss just makes it seem that way. Even in the highly touted NJ Nets offense, how many times we say Kidd driving into traffic trying to score or draw contact at the end of close games. If the other team react by doubling, he pass, otherwise he takes the shot. It's not that diffrent from our offense. If steve plays will, every one saying he's the messiah like it's been said this week, he plays ill every one says change his game, dudes come on just have a little more faith in our players. Besides, one of the key reasons Francis wanted out of vancouver was that he doesn't want to play SG, how do u think he would react now? Maybe that we don't need a point guard comment during the lottery shed some light, trade mobes and move him to the 2, u want Steve to demand a trade?
     
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    If you want Steve to pass, you're going to have to change they way the team plays. Better movement, more passing and more involvement on the weakside. Steve wants to pass, but I think some of the other guys on the court want to see what Steve does to his defender.

    Rudy needs to impose some structure and improve his players' court IQ. Set plays doesn't sound like a "motion offense"...
     
  18. brando

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    I say the fans on here- lets have a vote. I am in agreement with Chip- trade Mobley for Barry and-or anybody else-Payton? F__k Stevie if he dont like it-trade him too. How-a-bout Stevie and Mobley for Payton and Barry-Lewis? I know this is unpopular and all. I love Stevie but he is spoiled- being called the Franchise and all. Ming is the true Franchise. Just look what Seattle is doing. I live in Seattle area and am a Rockets fan.
     
  19. brando

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    Ciperous- will you be our new GM?
     
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    Payton is a hell of a defender. Barry is better than Mobley. Lewis can sky. Better defensive and less selfish = true progress. Payton flat out takes over games and demands better results from those around him.
     

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