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Snap Poll: Will There Be A Deal by Monday?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by A_3PO, Oct 6, 2011.

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Will the NBA and NBPA Reach an Agreement By Monday?

Poll closed Oct 8, 2011.
  1. Yes

    28 vote(s)
    16.3%
  2. No

    144 vote(s)
    83.7%
  1. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    I posted that link myself in another area of Clutch. It does make a lot of sense, but as one poster responded to me, this is also about the players making a stand. The players showing that they have some power here. If they cave too easily, future NBA players may suffer. The owners may decide next time, with the same ramifications as now, that they can get it down to 45% for players. Then 40%. The logic in the article will apply to any future negotiations as well. Simply put, the owner will always have the advantage, and lost games will hurt the players more than the owners, also for the reasons pointed out in the link.
     
  2. ascaptjack

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    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Source confirms multiple reports: NBA, union will not meet before Monday's league-imposed deadline to cancel regular season games

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix @
    RT @WojYahooNBA As another union source just told Y!, "If the league wants to meet with us Monday, they'll have to get their asses out to LA

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Source: NBA refuses to engage in further talks unless players agree to a 50-50 split

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Response from players is, predictably, angry. But most of the frustration is with the union. Lot of players don't have a problem with 50-50

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Don't know if holding regional meetings is the answer for the NBPA, either. Several players say they think it is a waste of money.

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Gear up, folks. There's a good chance this is about to become a pie fight.

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    The idea that the season was going to start on time was absurd to begin with. Now it's a question of how much time will be missed?

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Source: NBA, union won't meet without a 50-50 split bit.ly/nLp7HH

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Statement from NBA spokesman Tim Frank: "We told the union today that we were willing to meet as early as Sunday. We also advised them..

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Frank: "...we were unwilling to move above the 50-50 split of revenues that was discussed between the parties on Tuesday."

    ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
    Frank (cont): ...but that we wanted to meet with them to discuss the many remaining open issues. The union declined."

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...bor.meeting/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp

    Not looking good for you A_3PO.
     
  3. ascaptjack

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    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    As @KBergCBS reports, NBA refusing to meet with players Monday without pre-agreement that NBPA will accept 50-50 split on BRI.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    Union source says: "This just confirms what we suspected all along: The NBA was never serious about negotiating until guys missed checks."

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    When Stern plans to cancel the first two weeks of regular season Monday, Billy Hunter will be in LA at NBPA meeting for West Coast players

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    As another union source just told Y!, "If the league wants to meet with us Monday, they'll have to get their asses out to LA."

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    Stern didn't have immense owner support to offer 50-50 BRI split, and even far fewer owners willing to give players better than 50 percent.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    NBA's strategy is clearly to reach out to rank-and-file players, get them to rally against union's stand, and accept terms on the table.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    What still hasn't been agreed upon: luxury tax on cap, future of mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, and more. Still major system items.

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
    After NBA refuses to meet with players without pre-conditioned terms, union source calls it a "total hardball move." tinyurl.com/3uhgz9q

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...YF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_talks_100711

     
  4. Spooner

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    Wow players... its called a compromise. Meanwhile while you all are comparing d***s, tons of people are about to lose their jobs.
     
  5. ascaptjack

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    It's not all the players. Seems like the "rank and file" players would gladly accept a 50/50 split but it's the superstars like Kobe, LeBron, Wade, KG, and etc. that won't go below 53/47 split.
     
  6. Spooner

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    What do you know... the wealthiest players in the league :rolleyes:
     
  7. jim1961

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    Dont the "rank and file" players outnumber the "high profile" ones?

    Isnt Derek Fisher among them?
     
  8. Lurch

    Lurch Live Wilder.

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    I'm telling you guys.....no NBA at all this year.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    It ain't over 'till it's over.

    The union is going to get creamed if games and paychecks are missed. You guys that say they need to stand for something, time isn't on their side. The players will end up with less than 50% and worse terms on the secondary items.

    The smartest strategy for the union would be going down to the wire and making an agreement Monday. Very foolish of Hunter and Fisher if they don't. Eventually the players will crumble.
     
  10. Convictedstupid

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    If the players are smart, they make a deal by Monday.
     
  11. LCII

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    this lockout is going to cut the regular season short. Owners are not gonna budge. Players always lose if the owners wait long enough.
     
  12. coachbadlee

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    Come on "rank and file".:grin:
     
  13. TheRealist137

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    I don't care who "wins" in these negotiations I just want the it all to be over with already.
     
  14. Tom Bombadillo

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    I agree, they could get completely raped If they don't agree to what is being offered at the moment...
     
  15. Landry92

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    Last I checked this is the a Houston Rockets forum and a lot more people care than not care about the start of the NBA season plus unless your a hockey fan how many days will the NFL fill your calendar for once a week maybe twice ..
     
  16. Landry92

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    I hope for a deal on monday because if there's no deal, the chances of no season at all goes through the roof because the owners will say as long as there missing checks lets push them further..

    The owners proposal will only get worse with time the players need to realize this
     
  17. t_mac1

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    If the owners/Stern wants the players to make less money, then they need to stop marketing the top-flight players so heavily. Since Stern took over the commissioner position, he has done admirable in promoting the game. But he does so by primarily marketing the top players. Therefore, the NBA goes as the top players go; the reasons last year was so ridiculously great in terms of ratings were b/c of the Heat, emergence of new stars like Rose, and Kobe...

    So for the past 33 years, they have enjoyed a 57% BRI, and now it's going down to 50%? For the players, esp. the top-tier ones, it's like going backward 30 years. I understand their situation and why they feel going down 7% is way too much.

    The owners simply want too much in this case. It's very simple to solve their problems: revenue share, higher smarter GMs/employees to stop giving out dumb long contracts to guys like Lewis...

    I mean, they want to be like the NHL? Who really gives a crap about the NHL in the US? Literally nobody.

    If they lose games, it will turn them back 10-20 years. And it will take another controversy like Lebron going to the Heat to generate the casual interest again, and that's unlikely to happen.

    EDIT: and from what I read, it's just Stern and a few dumbass owners like Sarver and Gilbert who really want to push it to the players.
     
  18. Amel

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    I don't think the season will start until January...
     
  19. Little Bit

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    At the rate that the players and owners meet, I expect to see a 2yr hiatus.
     
  20. brownxmas

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    Schaub sucks. He rarely makes the long throw to anyone not named Andre Johnson. His accuracy on the short throws is average at best. He can't scramble to save his life. If he could hit a receiver in his stride morew often, our receivers could lead the league in Yak. I'm hoping he gets hurt and Matt Leinert shakes off the rust and gets it done.
     

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