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You people booed a soldier

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Sep 23, 2011.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    A lot more than one or two. Geez, talk about exaggerating in the other direction.

    Something is wrong with Republicans and this guy. He says sex doesn't belong in the military. But this isn't even about sex. It's about identity. It's about being able to be x and still being able to serve. It's disgusting that he is trying to portray gay soldiers and people who want to have sex while serving.

    I truly hope mainstream America is watching this and paying close attention to the rhetoric that comes out of the Republican party these days.
     
  2. okierock

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    Don't get me wrong, booing soldiers is disgusting.

    But if these guys are guilty by association, why aren't we worried about where Obama attended church for 20 years?
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Because in 20 years of Sundays very little controversial was said at that church. A lot of it was wise and beautiful. Look up the book that the pastor wrote, and read what sermons you can online.
     
  4. basso

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    you can't handle the truth.
     
  5. basso

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    indeed.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Giant PR black eye for Republicans, made even worse by the response of the candidates.

    Cause yeah, that didn't get any national media attention for several months.
     
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    How could they boo that guy? He looked like a fabulous soldier.
     
  8. okierock

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    If you read the quote above all it takes is for you to be in general proximity to someone doing something offensive for a couple of seconds and you are "guilty by association".

    20 years....
     
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    you gay?

    jk :)

    I agree though there shouldn't be a gay soldier or a straight solder.. you are soldier and you are fighting for your country. Shouldn't matter if you are gay or straight or bi.

    The people that boo'd are pretty disgraceful and to be fair though I could only here 3 or 4 people that booed.
     
  10. basso

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    could just have easily been paulians booing the guy for being a soldier.
     
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    umm sorry thats a pretty weak argument. First off you don't know what was said in the those 20 years of Sundays cause YOU DIDNT ATTEND.

    Also i don't see how 3 or 4 idiots in the crowd that booed makes the candidates guilty by association. It's not like the GOP candidates could choose who the crowd and what their view points are.

    On the other hand Obama knew his pators views and heard some of his sermons before. He then made a CHOICE to continue to attend his church and sermons for 20 years. Quite a big difference dont ya think?

    (BTW i don't really give a crap what his pastor said and I think that was blown out of porportion at the time also)
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    I don't know how many people booed, but I do know that Santorum's stupid and bigoted answer (talking about how this is somehow abou "sex" in the military" and "preferential treatment" for gays, etc.) got loud cheers.

    I also do know that none of the candidates condemned the boos or even to give the routine "Thanks for your service" to Mr. Hill, the soldier.

    The GOP is full of people who b**** about Arabs/******s/**** and those who don't bother standing up to their cohort's prejudices.
     
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    The big question today, even among conservatives, is: Why did none of the candidates stand up for the soldier? Here are some of today’s reactions to the offensive moment:

    - Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer: “Booing a soldier serving our nation is uncalled for. If I were on stage, I would make that point.”

    - The Hill’s Ballot Box: “None of the Republican candidates responded to the audience’s reaction.”

    - CBS News: “Some audience members audibly booed the soldier — a moment the GOP candidates on stage chose to ignore.”

    - The New Yorker: “His reply was breathtakingly bad: he talked about dangerous social experiments and what a mistake the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell had been; he didn’t even thank Hill, in a rote way, for his service. But none of the candidates did, and any one of them could have.”

    - Christian Post: “Santorum, who has never served in the armed forces, did not address the boos, but explained his position by saying ‘sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.’”

    - National Review: “Whatever you think of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” or homosexuality, Hill is risking his life on behalf of his country. It is troubling, and revealing, that Santorum’s answer entirely defined Hill as a gay man first and as a soldier second, if at all.”

    - GOProud: “Tonight, Rick Santorum disrespected our brave men and women in uniform, and he owes Stephen Hill, the gay soldier who asked him the question about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, an immediate apology. That brave gay soldier is doing something Rick Santorum has never done – put his life on the line to defend our freedoms and our way of life. It is telling that Rick Santorum is so blinded by his anti-gay bigotry that he couldn’t even bring himself to thank that gay soldier for his service.”

    - Log Cabin Republicans: “Unfortunately, for many Americans the take-away from last night’s debate was not that Republicans have the solutions our country needs, but that too many in our party are clinging so strongly to a failed and discriminatory law that they are willing to disrespect a man in uniform. As a current Army Reserve officer and an Iraq combat veteran, I found it appalling that a soldier serving down range would be disrespected in such a fashion.”
     
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    Sounded like more than one or two people honestly...
     
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    Getting rid of DADT is worth it for the jokes alone.
     
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    I wasn't trying to defend guilt by association in the case of the politicians. However, I do know what people who have attended the church have said, I've read the sermons in question and most of them aren't even that controversial when read in the full context. Wright did say some things that were horrible, and I strongly disagree with, but most of it was valid, and even inspirational.

    I'm just sick of people who haven't read Writght's stuff jumping on him because of a few out of context quotes. There are some legitimate things to jump on Wright about, but that usually isn't what's brought about him.

    As far as guilt by association, Obama ended the association with Wright.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't care what anyone tweets. There was multiple people booing - you can hear it on the pick up. Maybe not 30, but definitely more than a few.

    And...people were cheering at his disturbing homophobic response. Gays don't want sex in the military, they just want to serve. Why does it matter if people know they are gay. why do they have to hide it like it's some sort of shameful thing?

    If you don't get kicked out of the military for announcing you are heterosexual, why should it be different for gays?

    How many people cheered that answer? Honestly the clapping and cheering is worse than the booing.
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    Read it again.

     
  19. basso

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    the woman who tweeted the incident was sitting right behind the dudes booing. doesn't matter what it sounded like, the reality is there were just a couple. and more importantly, while we can infer, or speculate as to why they booed, we don't actually know. was it because he was gay? a soldier? a gay soldier?

    or just moveon types in a false flag opp. could have been anything.

    regardless, Santorum's answer sucked.
     
  20. juicystream

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    Even an article someone else posted talking about it negatively called it only a handful (though how many a handful is, IDK.) It was definitely more than one, but I think it was less than ten.

    For those individuals, booing a soldier isn't wrong in the context of them having an opinion you want to disagree with, but they weren't booing a soldier. They were booing a gay man that wanted the same rights as any other individual.

    The military's policy should just be "Don't Ask."
     

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