Palestinians sink to new low.

Maybe they weren't on the phone when they were shot.

 

Are you even reading the posts before you respond??? You start a thread titled "Palestinians sink to new low" and then you defend that title by saying average people on the street are accessories to all the murders going on - where in the discussion did the Palestinian Authority enter all this??? By your logic we should jail all Serbians for Milosovic's war crimes as well.

You seem like a good kid who means well and generally posts good stuff so I'm just gonna take this that you're a little worked up right now about what's going on there.

 

I tell you what... I'm seeing acting and reacting here...Seems to me, Palestinians are doing the acting and the Israelities are reacting for the most part. I think it's time to stop acting and reacting simultaneously...

I think it's time to feed and love the children. I think it's time to get involved in a good Bible based church. I think it's time we share the power of Jesus Christ together and know that as GOD on our side, our enemy can't stand a chance...

 

The other 28 have done nothing to ensure that the plans of the 2 aren't carried out. In our jurisprudence that's called being an accessory.

Right, because you know that the two committing the murder decided to tell everyone that they were gonna do it. Next time there's a murder in Houston, were you an accessory since you didn't stop it?

If the Palestinian Authority is so dead set against terrorism then they can go to those who have been approached to get information. But they aren't going to do that, now are they? No...they're not. Why? Because they don't care to stop the attacks.

The US government can't stop every murder here in the US. I guess our government just doesn't care and approves of murder.

The Palestinians have a major terror problem - there's no doubt about that. Simply lumping the people suffering together with the morons -- especially when the Israelis have absolutely demolished any security structure the Palestinians may have had to deal with this -- is ridiculous.

 

I think you have an uphill argument also.

Both side have done horrible things in this conflict. Both sides are wrong and both are right. Trying to say who is 'more' wrong is pointless since it would never go anywhere; i.e., it would never get reconciled and it offers nothing to the solution.

 

Don't ever blame another person if someone murders and the other person knows them. Unless they hooked them up, it isn't their fault.

 

Hi Refman,

I actually don't think people are all that far apart on this. This event is an atrocity, absolutely, but for some people the lines of decency have been crossed repeatedly for, well, darn near 2000 or more years. As for yelling "everybody out of the pool!" Israel has been doing just that over and over, IMHO.

We'll bulldoze your hovels, we'll declare curfews, we'll ignore Arafat, we'll kill a bunch of people we believe to be perps, we will generally keep humiliating your population in various ways, and then the situation will be under control! ... Um, no it won't. I don't know what the solution is, but that ain't it, apparently.

So what is your version of "everybody out of the pool?" Or did you mean it literally? Do terrorists like to lounge in pools during the day?

 

poverty breeds crime, politically motivated or not. That's a fact.

Treat a crime as a crime, and punish to deter.

But to solve the problem, you need wise politics and right economic incentives.


------ Lao zi, mo zi, hanfei zi, confucian, xun zi.... They all know thousands years ago

 

But an Israeli has done the exact same thing. Remember the Israeli terrorist who went into the Mosque and started killing everyone in their, intentionally and that included youths.

The Jewish terrorists that planted bombs in the Palestinian girls school was also intentionally targeting children.

I don't say this to justify it, only to say that writing off one entire group because some members of the group behave behind the pale of comprehension.

If you do decide to go ahead and have zero sympathy for the palestinian plight, then surely in all fairness you'd have to do the same for the Israelis since they also intentionally have targeted children in the incidents mentioned above.

 

In South Carolina, we gave our terrorists noble nicknames such as 'swamp fox'.

But then again, we were fighting against oppressive taxes, not against something as tolerable as having our homelands stolen from us by random colonialists. "Hey, my people, *ahem*, well not me... but 'my' people were here, like this, errr, really long time ago... like, so I'm here now".

 

Originally posted by FranchiseBlade
But an Israeli has done the exact same thing. Remember the Israeli terrorist who went into the Mosque and started killing everyone in their, intentionally and that included youths.

That shouldn't have happened, but whatever happened to the Israeli terrorist? Wasn't he arrested and convicted?

The Jewish terrorists that planted bombs in the Palestinian girls school was also intentionally targeting children.
...

If I recall the situation you reference, FB, they never got to plant the bombs since the Israeli authorities arrested them beforehand.

I think it would have been very helpful is the Palestinian Authority had clearly thwarted some attacks.

 

Originally posted by Achebe
In South Carolina, we gave our terrorists noble nicknames such as 'swamp fox'.

If they attacked military or infrastructure, then they could conceivably be considered freedom fighters. If they attacked innocents, then they were filth.

But then again, we were fighting against oppressive taxes, not against something as tolerable as having our homelands stolen from us by random colonialists. "Hey, my people, *ahem*, well not me... but 'my' people were here, like this, errr, really long time ago... like, so I'm here now".

If you referring to the idiotic claims by the settlers on Palestinian land, I strongly agree with you. If you're refrerring to Israel proper, I strongly disagree.

 

In this world, hate never dispelled hate; only love dispels hate. This is the law, ancient and inexhaustible. - The Buddah

If there has ever been more fitting proof that this statement is true, I have yet to see it.

Round and round they go.

 

Cohen, perhaps you can give me the quick run-down.

I've heard (on those NPR morning edition segments) that the Jews did not have a presence in Israel for the 500 years preceding the Balfour agreement. Is that true? That Israel was ruled from Turkey by Muslims that entire time up until then.

And that the Balfour agreement was advanced by a secularist tired of the pogroms... that religious people later became excited about the idea.

If it's true that the Jews had a population of 0-5%, at most, in the region... then I am not sure how the Israelis are anything other than an artificial colonialist power.

If this isn't true, let me know. I haven't had time to do extensive research on the matter... my muddled opinions right now are just those opinions of a bystander (who sees Palestinian children die from Israeli bullets and is curious about this one-sided outcry, of an obviously atrocious act).

 

Honestly, I think people should take this report with a grain of salt. The story may very well be exagerated version, or maybe the full circumstances are not being displayed. Either way, this article just sounds like propaganda to me, and although I wish the best to both Isreal and Palestinian folks, I refuse to render any more sympathy for either group.

 

Originally posted by Achebe
Cohen, perhaps you can give me the quick run-down.

I've heard (on those NPR morning edition segments) that the Jews did not have a presence in Israel for the 500 years preceding the Balfour agreement. Is that true? That Israel was ruled from Turkey by Muslims that entire time up until then.

And that the Balfour agreement was advanced by a secularist tired of the pogroms... that religious people later became excited about the idea.

If it's true that the Jews had a population of 0-5%, at most, in the region... then I am not sure how the Israelis are anything other than an artificial colonialist power.

If this isn't true, let me know. I haven't had time to do extensive research on the matter... my muddled opinions right now are just those opinions of a bystander (who sees Palestinian children die from Israeli bullets and is curious about this one-sided outcry, of an obviously atrocious act).

I haven't done extensive research either. My impression is that Palestine did not have a significant population at the turn of the century. Jews only comprised around 3%, did not really start returning until the 1880's, still, it did not amount to much at all for decades. By 1945, I think there were about 500,000 Jews and 1,000,000 Muslims.

I assume that you are implying that since Jews had left the country many years ago, whether under their own volition or not, they have no pre-existing rights.

Are you planning on leaving the United States?

We have a weaker argument defending why we have any rights to the United States. The Israelis owned that land for 1,000 years, were defeated and banished from it, and returned 2,000 years later and began purchasing it. We (i.e., Europeans) never had any previous claim to these lands, and we simply attacked the inhabitants.

I can easily understand how the Arabs were upset when a Jewish nation was created. I can also see how Jews feel they have rights to a country there. It's tough both ways. I don't feel the need to argue these specifics though. They're rather irrelevant. Both sides can make good arguments about the past, but where does that take us? Nowhere.

Here are the facts that matter:
Israel isn't going anywhere, the Arabs should realize this.
The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, the Israelis should realize this.
They will be neighbors for the rest of eternity...THEY SHOULD START ACTING LIKE NEIGHBORS. The plight of each will be irrevocably tied to the other.
The Palestinians deserve a Nation, immediately.
The settlers should get the hell off Palestinian lands.
Palestinian civilians should be treated with respect and with the utmost care for their lives, not like they are all terrorists.
Palestinians and the Palestinian Authority should end their support of suicide bombers and others who seek to intentionally take the lives of innocents.
Jerusalem should be a divided (not with walls) but shared capital.

The tough questions:
The right of return for Palestinians forcibly removed from their ancestral lands;
How to stop the circle of violence.

BTW, what is the 'one-sided outcry'?