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Pelosi Secures Democrat Leadership

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  1. No Worries

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    http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20021108/D7N60PE02.html

    Pelosi Secures Democrat Leadership

    Nov 8, 2:13 PM (ET)

    By DAVID ESPO

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California secured victory in the race for House Democratic leader on Friday when her only formal rival conceded defeat and offered an endorsement.

    Pelosi, 62, a liberal who represents San Francisco in Congress, will become the first woman to lead either party in either House of Congress when she is formally elected next week to replace Rep. Richard Gephardt.

    Pelosi triumphed over Texas Rep. Martin Frost, who conceded defeat in a letter to members of the rank and file. "It is clear to me that Nancy Pelosi has the votes of a majority of the caucus," he wrote. "In light of this fact, today I am releasing all of my commitments."

    Pelosi will take the helm of a party that has been in the minority for eight years and lost seats in Tuesday's midterm election.

    Frost made his concession as Tennessee Rep. Harold Ford announced last-minute plans to join the race - then postponed a news conference where he was to do so.

    Pelosi and Frost had been making calls to members of the rank and file in anticipation of next Thursday's election. On Thursday. Frost told a news conference he was the contender better able to broaden the party's appeal. "I think her politics are to the left, and I think that the party, to be successful, must speak to the broad center of the country," he said.

    Pelosi responded with a statement that stressed the importance of challenging Republicans.

    While House Democrats had a brief race for leader, there was none on the other side of the Capitol. There, Sen., Tom Daschle of South Dakota told reporters he would seek another two years as leader. He said that Connecticut Sen. Christopher Dodd, rumored to be considering a challenge, would not run.

    "We intend to work closely with the president when we think he's right, but I must say, we will stand up and fight for our principles when we think he's wrong," said Daschle, whose party was thrust into the minority in Tuesday's elections.

    The loss in the House wasn't as painful - the party was in the minority to begin with, and fell deeper into a hole when it lost five or six seats.

    Ford, appearing on the nationally syndicated Don Imus morning radio show, said he was joining the race because "there's a real yearning and a real appetite for change in the party."

    "I think my colleagues on the Democratic side are interested in radical change and, if they are, I submit that my candidacy and my leadership would offer that change," Ford said. "It would be not only me, but a whole new generation of leadership."

    Ford is 32. Pelosi is 62 and Frost 60.

    Earlier, Frost had taken on Pelosi.

    "I think that her politics are to the left, and I think that the party, to be successful, must speak to the broad center of the country," said Frost, a Texan whose rival represents most of San Francisco.

    Pelosi, judged by party officials to be the front-runner in the race, sidestepped the attack and turned her fire on the GOP instead. "We must draw clear distinctions between our vision of the future and the extreme policies put forward by the Republicans," she said in a statement. "We cannot allow Republicans to pretend they share our values and then legislate against those values without consequence."

    In the interview, Ford said he thought that both Frost and Pelosi "represent much of what we've had in the past."

    " ... If we're serious about moving forward, a team that I would assemble could accomplish a lot," the congressman said, adding that "it might be time for a clean break from the ways of the past."

    Frost and Pelosi had begun their bids to become the party's House leader after Gephardt told members of the rank-and-file that he would not seek another term in the job he has held for eight years.

    Gephardt told party members Thursday that "it's time for me personally to take a different direction ... and take on this president and the Republican Party from a different vantage point." His remarks pointed toward a possible campaign for the White House in 2004.

    Later, in an interview in the Capitol office he soon will vacate, the Missouri Democrat said he intends to take the oath of office for a new term next month and has no firm plans beyond that. "I'll look at running for president. I've done it before and I know a lot about it," he said of his unsuccessful 1988 campaign for the Democratic nomination.

    While Pelosi and Frost have served side by side for years, they have charted different courses in the House, and have taken different positions on recent high-profile issues.

    Pelosi, who is her party's senior member on the intelligence committee, voted against legislation that authorized President Bush to use force against Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Frost supported it.

    Frost, a former party campaign chairman, was a late, reluctant recruit to the battle for legislation to reduce the role of money in politics, expressing concern about the impact of the law on the party's ability to compete for funds with Republicans. One of Pelosi's first successes as party whip was to round up enough votes to pass the measure.

    Frost was elected from his Dallas-area district for a 13th term on Tuesday.
     
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  2. MadMax

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    wow...i really didn't think they'd choose her over Frost....interesting.
     
  3. No Worries

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    She had the senoirity over Frost, which was probably the difference maker.

    It will be an interesting two years ahead to see how she runs the House Democrats. If Pelosi can resonate with the Soccer moms of America, she may help her party next election cycle. Or she could push the House Democrats too far left and cause them more harm than good. We will see.
     
  4. B-Bob

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    I don't think she's as "radical" as some would have you believe. She's a straight shooter, and she'll call out hypocrisy when she sees it, even if it gets her into hot water. I'm not sure it's the best thing for the party politically, but I'm excited about it, and I think it's the best thing for the "soul" of the party.
     
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    This is wonderful to see. Honest liberals like Pelosi will never be able to sell their ideas to mainstream America. Democrats need con artists like the Clintons to win, so Pelosi should help cement an easy win in 2004 for GW.
     
  6. Major

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    While House Democrats had a brief race for leader, there was none on the other side of the Capitol. There, Sen., Tom Daschle of South Dakota told reporters he would seek another two years as leader. He said that Connecticut Sen. Christopher Dodd, rumored to be considering a challenge, would not run.



    This is too bad. Daschle really needs to go also.
     
  7. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    One thing is for sure, she's gonna make a LOT of noise.

    I wonder which side will see the benefit.
     
  8. Refman

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    She needs to come towards the center a bit if she is going to be effective. If they are perceived as being "out there" and creating gradlock whenever possible it will backfire in a significant way.
     
  9. glynch

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    Pelosi:
    She must have beem reading cc.net.

    I can only say "Right on!"
     
  10. Refman

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    Just remember that she hails from the People's Republic of Taxifornia. If she gets her way on things then I'll make sure you get the address so you can forward all of your paychecks to the Federal government and they can remit to you what they think you "need."
     
  11. No Worries

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    So the people of California pay a higher rate in federal taxes than the rest of us???
     
  12. glynch

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    Refman, I think you should stick to dating tips. :)
     
  13. Refman

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    California taxes EVERYTHING. The taxes there are insanely high. Should Pelosi get her way...the Federal taxes will be just as high.
     
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    Objection noted...not heeded...but noted none the less. :)
     
  15. B-Bob

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    1. Pelosi has been in federal service for so long that she has little or nothing to do with the current state taxes in California. That's very reactionary, Refman, similar (but not equivalent) to a liberal saying that you hate the poor and minorities.

    2. I'm a middle/lower-middle class chump in California, and since the scale is sensibly graded, it's not an undue burden on my household at all. :) That being said, they are too high, and they'll only get higher after this election. Why? Because of liberal politicians? Um, NO. See #3.

    3. California runs a lot of its government based on ballot propositions. This year, for instance, the VOTERS approved hugely costly new propositions for building new classrooms at all levels of education, supported Arnold's after-school programs to the tune of 0.5 billion PER YEAR, etc. (there are many others). So the voters cost themselves a lot of money here.

    Hard as it is to believe, "irresponsible" as she is, Pelosi did not single-handedly create California's tax structure. In fact, she barely has anything to do with it at all.
     
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    The democrats made a great choice in picking Pelosi. She will transform the party into what they really want to be; back to the far left.

    I have a feeling there will be a split in the DNC, leftist vs the centrist.

    This is perfect for the GOP! :D
     
  17. Rocketman95

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    All this talk from the right sounds a lot like the talk from the left in 1992.
     
  18. mav3434

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    Taxifornia? well at least she ain't from Taxachusetts. Too bad because I looove paying high taxes. Just love it, love it, love it.
     
  19. Refman

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    True, but her being from there and being one of those liberal voters that has voted all this crap in evidences her mindset and philosophy. That is the point I was trying to make.
     
  20. Deckard

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    Great post, B-Bob. I will return now to my state of post-election depression.

    (Oh, the humanity!!)

    (or lack of it)
     

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