Well my kiddie analysis would say that your 6th best stat is completely skewed, and less than worthless. Anyone starting Chuck Hayes is not winning anything of any magnitude, well, at least according to my kiddie analysis. I would recommend letting your 6 year old post then, he might be able to make some sense, maybe basketball knowledge skips a generation in your family, so there is hope. DD
Anyone starting Aaron Brooks is not winning anything of any magnitude. Even then, we didn't give him away for nothing.
Well, outside of the first round series against Portland, and taking the world champion Lakers to game 7. If you want, I can post Lowry's stellar playoff numbers for you.......nah....let's just hope that Lowry didn't have a career year like AB did the year before.....as Rockets fans of course. Try to keep your digs relevant though CX, you must be slipping. DD
Chuck is an important piece. He leads by example with his hustle and helps motivate others to hustle while they play in Hustle-town.
You mean after Yao Ming went down in game 3?......and as I said, we didn't win that series did we? Too easy. DD
My "digs" are plenty relevant. It just seems that you are having trouble keeping up. Maybe some more time in the gym instead of on the internets would help out in that department. Aaron Brooks was a flawed starter that was eventually shipped out of town. That doesn't mean we had to give him away for nothing though. Say what you will about Chuck Hayes as a starter, we won't give him away for nothing in the same token. What Kyle Lowry has to do with anything here is anyone's guess. Maybe you are the one that should try to stay relevant. Or do I have you going in circles where you can't find your ass from your mouth again? No, we didn't win that series. So why in the world are you using it to support Aaron Brooks as some sort of winner in the first place then? Ass, meet mouth.
Why do you even pretend that you like Chuck Hayes? You obviously don't want him on the team, either as a starter or a backup defensive specialist. You want to let him walk for nothing for "the future". You probably wouldn't even bet ten cents on either Hill or Thabeet being that future. Even if Thabeet shocks everyone and becomes a great player, or we draft some franchise center, won't Chuck still have a role on the team? Again, look at Nick Collison. He's not a great starter, but OKC kept him around anyway.
CXbby, most classless poster on this site, by a long shot. AB was a good starter, got hurt and never recovered, was he bad last year, yep, no doubt, was he bad the year before...nope, he was borderline all star, gosh why would anyone want to cheer for that? What Kyle has to do with it, and you know this, is the AB vs Kyle argument that you are carrying around and bringing up on the "Not very sly" side of things. As for why I am proping up AB, it wasn't about that series it was about WINNING the Portland series.......where, gosh, Chuck wasn't starting..... Game, set, match....me. DD
I do like Chuck Hayes, like him a lot, but I am for whatever is BEST for the Rockets regardless of players I like. And right now, the Rockets need to try some of the younger TALLER guys that might develop...they might bust too, but the team needs to put them on the floor, you can learn a lot more about a player if they are not playing small spurts, but are getting 25 minutes or so a game, than you can from a guy playing 18..... Some of the guys need more playing time....PPat, Jhill, Thabeet, Morris.....these guys need floor burn....and if they flame out.....at least you know. DD
A lot of fans on this forum keep complaining that we are not contenders and always get stuck on 40 wins. Then they get upset with people who want to move Chuck on and rebuild this team. Then they complain we win 40 games again. Then they get upset with people who want to move role player B.....
Les and Morey has made it clear that they are going to try to rebuild while staying above .500 which means the only way Hill, Thabeet, Morris, Patterson get minutes on the floor over Chuck is if they EARN it. No way is the coach going to just let Hill or anyone else that was behind Chuck last year in the rotation get X amount of guaranteed minutes to help their development. They need to put in work in the off season (which can be a year+ right now) to show that they should be starting. Trying to get better during the season is not going to work. No way the Rockets will let Chuck go for nothing and I doubt they'll let him go period. He was one of the captains last year and is now the oldest Rocket (in terms of years on the team) left. The team needs his leadership and professionalism to be an example to the young PFs/C. You know how some of these young guys are gonna get better offensively? By having to go up against Chuck every day in practice. Given the uncertainty of the new CBA the fact that no deal was made prior to the expiration (and after the season ended) leads me to think that that they will resign Chuck once a new CBA is agreed. There could be no sign and trade anymore with the new CBA so really the only two options that Morey has to realistically look at is signing him or letting him walk and when was the last time you saw Morey let someone of Chuck's talent and caliber just walk? All that said I expect Chuck to be back and want Chuck back. He is the epitome of what hard work can do and where it can get you. Anyone who doesnt want Chuck back on this team I have no idea what to say really. I really hope we dont have to play the next season with him as the starting center but off the bench as the first backup PF or C. He will be fine in that role he has always been ready to play 5 minutes or the full 48. I mean without Chuck probably wouldnt have won that Portland series he took a charge on Roy that pretty much sealed the game and series for the Rockets in game 4. And its not the first time Chuck sealed a playoff W with a charge either. Chuck should see green from the Rockets, but keep the guy in Red
How is it skewed? Do answer before I can take you seriously. There's a reason you are constantly mocked on this forum, it's because your arguments are always meaningless like "one player = 42 wins = bad".
How is any of this at all relevant to the discussion at hand, which clearly you have a problem following: we shouldn't lose Chuck for nothing. That's it. I don't care if AB was good or bad or Tony Parker in that colorful imagination of yours. Not relevant. I don't care about AB vs. Kyle. You should really let that one go. It will save you the embarrassment and maybe one day people might even forget about the whole thing like it never happened. Not relevant. I don't care about why you are propping up AB. In fact, I don't care about any of your fascinations with all your little scrub players. Especially ones who aren't even Rockets anymore. That is between you, your significant other, and your therapist. NOT RELEVANT. Yes. Game, set, match.... you. Good job winning at what ever argument that you just now invented in your head. Here's a hint, if you don't even know the name of the game, you should probably not be participating. Please, save me the laughs. Of all the posters on this site, you are the LAST one qualified to judge "whatever is BEST for the Rockets". By a long shot.
You guys can disagree, that is fine. I think the Rox should move on, Chuck is an UNRESTRICTED free agent, he can go wherever he likes without any compensation coming to the Rockets. It is NOT the Rockets decision alone, so if Chuck wants to walk, he can. The question is what is good for the Rockets, and IMO, it is letting him go for nothing, time to move on to taller, potentially more talented players. No guarantees, but we have seen ALL that Chuck will ever be, and as good as that is, it is nothing more than defensive role player, and with a rebuilding team, we need to put as many new bullets in the chambers as possible to see which ones fire. I know it is not a popular opinion, but that is the direction I think the Rox should take, regardless of how all the DD-haters feel. It's ok, to disagree.......we will see which way Morey wants to go by his offer to Chuck, and we will see how much the rest of the league values him by the offers he gets. I think Chuck is valuable, but even MORE valuable to a team that is contending and can utilize his unique defensive skillsets. He would be wasting them in Houston, IMO..... DD
That's bogus, its like saying we are wasting our time posting here since we are rebuilding and we should post on miami/laker forums since they are contending...SMDH
Exactly. Honestly, I don't understand your arguments Cxbby or ashish. Chuck is role player and unrestricted FA. Why would any team give up something (via trade or SnT) to get him? Only returnable asset would be a low 2nd round pick, which will not measurably improve the team's situation (No, the next Manu is not right around the corner.) and which the Rockets can buy whenever they want. Plus, do you really think trading Chuck would be better than letting go in FA PR wise? This board and the fan base would shriek blood murder, like they did when Shane was traded, if the Rockets actively trade Chuck instead of passively let him go somewhere else. Chuck is a wonderful player and I would love for the Rockets to keep him, but you do not sign him to any contract or play him extended minutes that would take away from the Rockets goals to find/sign a star player and develop their young players.
Chuck Hayes did not prevent the development of Luis Scola, or Carl Landry, or Yao Ming. I fail to see how signing him will prevent the development of anyone else worth developing. In fact, I'd argue that keeping Chuck is imperative to the development of our young front court players. Development is not a free hand out that anyone can simply stumble upon. Development is a rite of passage that starts and ends with prying it from Chuck's cold dead body. Figuratively speaking.
