Rox offense, a total failure!

4 games in and it's a failure? Phil Jackson once said that it takes 2 years to install a new offense, the team picks it up the 1st year, and then it really gets rolling in the 2nd year. Yet people want this team running a perfect offense after 4 games? My theory is that it takes 2 years to install a new offense where it's running perfectly because it takes one year to flush out the old system, then the 2nd year to get the system down, even New Jersey had that problem. They used the system they had when Marbury was in there, but Kidd being the experienced PG, slipped right in and ran it perfectly. It also helps that Phoenix ran a very similar offense then New Jersey.

 

Problem is, this isn't an offense. This is Mobley and Francis trying to do everything themselves. The only way for others to score is to get an offensive rebound. The Rockets need to learn to get everyone involved. Francis and Mobley need to learn to trust their teammates.

 

I think it was Kidd is such a good point guard with premier team basketball smarts and Marbury is such a cancer more than anything else. My only problem with four games in is that the two losses looked VERY familiar.

 

The dribble dribble dribble dribble... dribble crossover dribble dribble off balance heave because 2 seconds are left offense has been in effect for 3 years now.

 

So far there isnt any sign of anything NEW, Just the Mobes and Francis Show!! I still have great hopes for the Rockets Team, I think that after tonights schooling ,Rudy might have a brainstorm and come to realise that he must return to the Team Concept. Go Rockets!

 

unfortunately the rox are runnig the same ISO crap they ran last year, and havent even shown glimpses of a motion offense this year.

no one would be complaining if we saw some movement, but guess what?? we're not!

i love the rockets, i really do, but an idiot could see that this "motion offense" isnt happening. thats why they have practice - so they can practice the offense and implement it during a game. i've played organized ball, and it really isnt that hard.

 

It looked pretty good last game and was really rolling early in this game until we had to start subbing some players that have been out with injuries like Rice and KT. I think the new offense was fine. Our real problem tonight was second half defense (particularly on the ball defense) and rebounding.

 

Take a look at New Jersey, and take a look at the old Suns. See a difference in the offense? No. The offense New Jersey is running, Phoenix has been running since the 80s. Look at the old Suns teams with Barkley, or even before Barkley, and look at New Jersey. There is NO difference whatsoever, in fact the emergence of Kenyon makes that offense better because a good power man makes a motion offense that much better. The offense Kidd ran in Phoenix is a carbon copy of the offense they're running in New Jersey, so why do you think he fit in so perfectly? Phoenix ran a motion offense, New Jersey runs a motion offense, and Sacramento runs a motion offense. Who was the PG for Phoenix during their motion offense days? Kidd. Who played a big part in installing Sacramento's motion offense? Byron Scott. People forget that Scott was an assistant coach with the Kings. So you have a head coach that is a master at the motion offense, and a veteran PG that has played in a motion offense since he came into the league (Dallas, Phoenix), of course New Jersey would run the offense like masters!

 

The Rockets scored 97 points, and have increased their scoring in every game so far. That was NOT the problem. Anyone who thinks it is, needs to actually watch the games, rather than following the stats.

The Rockets are running a different offense, but it is designed to get Steve and Cuttino points first, and teammates second. Get used to it. Until Yao and Eddie develop, those two are our best players.

The defense is still a problem. That is why the Rockets lost.

I think some of you are hoping that Francis and Mobley do badly in a loss, just so you can support your "trade Francis" argument. He makes an easy scapegoat, for some reason. Steve had 8 assists tonight. You know, GARY PATYON'S AVERAGE!!!

Do you think Payton gets 18 assists every night? No, guess what? Payton is a score-first point guard. Sound familiar?

Francis is starting to resemble Payton more and more each season, and I couldn't be happier. I would much rather have a Payton-style point guard than a Kidd-style point guard.

Mark my words: Jason Kidd and Andre Miller will never win championships. If they ever do, I will request that Clutch bans me for life from this site, and I will buy a plane ticket back to Australia.

The Rockets do not need a pure point guard to win games. They just need to get used to playing with each other, and pick it up on defense. The Rockets, as we see them today, have only been together for a few weeks. Yes, I was pissed off with the defense, but four games is NOT enough to judge a franchise player.

 

<b> I agreed with your "new offense" and the 2 years thing and the Kidd and NJ thing. Tell me what is the new offense the Rox is trying to install now. </b>

It took Byron Scott a year to install that offense, it was accelerated because he picked up a veteran PG that had experience running it. Why didn't it fully work his first year New Jersey? That team was banged up and injured, surprise, surprise.

<b> The same flirking crab. The whole team does not have one major fundamental, passing the damn ball to an open man. I want you to come back this thread at the end of season, and look at the teams that win 50+ games share one thing in common, an offense with good ball movement </b>

Neither did New Jersey. Kidd helped, but the team getting healthy and getting used to each other helped a ton. Same goes for Dallas, it took them a year to really get the offense down that Nelson wanted, and they did well their first year, then they just blew up last year because they were used to the offense. Take a look at every one of those 50 win teams, all over them went through growing pains learning that offense except for Sacramento. The Kings are an anomaly, the exception to the rule. People were shocked at the Kings because they were the surprise of the league, other then that all of the other elite teams had to go through at least one year of growing pain while the team matured and learned a new system.

 

Francis had 8 assists. I thought he was the team tonight. Mobes showed up later and Griff was solid. Other then that, this team stunk tonight. Still early though.

 

Well Mr jlaw, how about the same offense they're trying to install now, except giving the team more then 4 regular season games to get it down.

 

97pts!! 97pts and our offense is a total failure?! What are you gonna say next...Steve Francis was only padding his stats...yeah thats why he got 9 assists!! This is getting sooo old....maybe you should peg tonight's problems on the defense, huh.

 

We were down by double digits and had to scratch and claw our way back each possession in the fourth quarter to make the score *respectable*. We stunk when it counted when we got down by about twenty points in the third quarter.

 

Which is the hallmark of a good young team learning it's way. A young team to worry about is a team that lays down after 20 points and gives up. The Rockets didn't give up, they were in the game until they hit that 3rd quarter. This team will have to learn to pick it up in the different quarters where they're struggling, but they're learning. They played a 4-0 team that is hot with several years of playoff experience. Seattle is at a point where I think the Rockets will be later in the year.