[Mike & Mike ESPN] Jon Barry Says Rockets Still Interested in Bosh

1. How do you expect the Rockets to package our #14, #23 and Terrence Williams to get Kemba Walker, a prospect that's pegged to go in the Top 5?

2. You state that, without Yao, this team would be "fighting for homecourt" meaning that we'd be 4th or 5th best in the West? And this is AFTER trading away Lowry? Sure you're getting Bosh in return but his production, even during Toronto, cannot outweigh what both Lowry AND Scola brought or can bring. I'm not saying anyone on this team is untouchable but to think that inserting a career 20/9 player into the lineup and take away your STARTING point guard and a power forward that averaged 18 and 8 would vault us into the 4th or 5th place in the West is stretching it a bit. And I'm not even going to touch the "If Yao comes back" comment.

3. Goran Dragic as our starting point guard? Really?

The Rockets, as of right now, aren't going to contend but you don't trade for any star player just because the team lack star players. Especially when you trade for a "pretty freaking good" player that is on a max contract.

 

I think Bosh is going to be traded to Orlando for Dwight Howard.

 

I'd much rather go after Iggy than Bosh.

 

No way Orlando agrees to take back Bosh with his contract. No way. It would probably be even better to let D12 go and wait for their crap contracts to expire and start over.

 

And how do you know that Morey is still interested, let alone what he would give up for Bosh?

Listen to the Barry interview if you have not already.
I don't know about you, but it sounds pretty shaky. You don't know when Barry heard those 'talks', nor if his sources are any good.

Things have changed from last off-season.
Adelman isn't here anymore. Yao most likely isn't going to be healthy and even if he is, he's not a guy anymore you can build your team around. There's also a good chance a hard cap will be implemented.

Bosh isn't worth giving up Scola, Lowry and Patterson. Not even close.

 

Even though I don't like him hes the closest to a superstar we can get so I would like to have him

 

He is pegged to go somewhere in the 5-10 range. Both Sacramento and Toronto's pick is probably available. And I am not suggesting we should do this, I am just proposing there are ways to balance the roster after the trade.

Stop being a homer. Scola's production would instantly be replaced by Bosh. It would cost you a starting PG. Lowry is good, but he is not the god that everyone around here makes him out to be. The league is stacked with quality PGs. Its probably the easiest position to fill right now.

Dragic is a very decent PG, not sure why you are throwing him under the bus.

Bosh isnt on a max contract, he took less.

And yes, you do trade for all stars, especially when thier value is at its lowest and your role players are at thier highest.

 

i'll take the trade for bosh....have garbage surrounding him, so he can up his stats while helping us get a lottery pick next year. Then NO or Orlando accepts him seeing him as 25 and 12 guy for CP3 or D12 and then our lottery pick plus whatever for D12 or CP3.

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If you are trading for Bosh, that means you believe the team is within 1-2 years of competing. Lowry and Martin would be off the table, considering you are unlikely to find comparable value elsewhere.

My guess is Morey is trying to get Bosh to lure Howard here.

 

So you're logic is that, by throwing multiple less-valued picks at them, they are willing to give up their Top 10 picks? Or did you think TWill would be the de facto sweetener that gets the Kings or Raptors to bite?

How am I being a homer? I pointed out that Bosh is a 20/9 player and Scola, after getting his contract, averaged 18 and 8 this past season. You're saying that the difference in both players' production is worth the 3-5 million dollars a year in contracts?

Who said Lowry was God? If anything, you're downplaying how effective Lowry was/is for this team. I have no problems trading him for a player the Rockets NEED like, oh I don't know, a center maybe rather than ANOTHER forward?

Did I insult the guy? I just wanted clarification that you wanted to say that the Rockets would be in full contention mode with Goran Dragic manning the starting point guard position.

I think BimaThug (I credit him because he's the only one that brough this up) told us about Bosh's 15% trade kicker which would bring his salary damn close, if not at, the max. And there's a reason why a player's value "is at its lowest".

 

The way Morey is talking about Dogus Balbay I would doubt if we offered Kyle, Scola, or Dragic.

We would be giving up too much if its Scola and Kyle but Scola and Dragic I can see happening.

 

It's Just TOOOOOO EXPENSIVE for Chris Bosh i will stay with the Patterson Scola Hill Combo

 

I like Bosh, always been a fan of his game.

But giving up both patpat and Lowry is too much.

Lowry is the most valuable piece on our team by far. We won't be moving in any direction if we give up all three for Bosh.

 

Yes, it happens often.

You can't compare players like that. The difference between Scola and Bosh is not 2 points and 1 rebound. Bosh is an elite player, Scola is not. He is also younger, and a better defender. And Bosh is absolutely 100% worth his contract.

The Rockets don't NEED a center. Adding a legit center doesnt make this team a contender, or even close to one. What they need is a mass influx of talent, at any position. Something to build around. And we wouldn't be adding another forward, we would be replacing 2 forwards with a much better one. We can "build around" Martin/Scola/Lowry till the cows come home, but it will never lead anywhere. Getting Bosh is getting a legit player you can build around.

Sure seemed like it

Yea, the reason its at its lowest is because he is a high usage offense player who is being used as a role player. Thats why it is at its lowest.

 

NO to trading Kyle Lowry. We finally have a borderline All-Start poing guard who can score and isnt a selfish player..which we havent had in...forever since maybe Sam Cassell.... I would much rather be two deep at every position then have a ton of first round exits with Bosh as our star..

 

what do yall think of this?

Bosh for Scola, Miller, Hill, Budinger

 

Calm down...

Personally I'm against getting rid of lowry or pat. Check this trade out:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3gpvbau

I feel like trading Luis, Jordan, Chase, and Miller is a fair trade for the Heat. The heat get some fairly decent young players still on their rookie contracts. Decent players on rookie contracts will be gold for teams who are over/near the max and looking to improve in the new CBA. In addition, I think Chase will really thrive playing off of Wade or Lebron.

We get rid of Miller's insane contract and Scola gets to go to a good new home. It may be possible to keep Hill or Bud and substitute Squid or ThaBeast, but unfortunately those two have zero trade value right now. Hill shows inconsistent potential and Bud ended on a very high note so they have some trade value I think.

Potential lineup after trade:

Lowry/Dragic
Martin/Lee
???/Squid/FA or Draft Acquisition
Bosh/PatPat
Chuck/Thabeast/FA or Draft Acquisiton

The 5 and 3 are still pretty weak, but our 4 is definitely improved and we improve our overall height and athleticism. A 3 should be pretty easy to draft. Hopefully McHale and Co. whip Thabeast into shape but that's very optimistic

 

Haha I just tried that trade and took too long to write up my thinking behind it. You beat me my good sir

 

3-5 million? Try 6.8 to 11 million....And that's not including the 15 percent trade kicker. Do we really want a Chris Bosh making 22 million with the new CBA? Building a team around Bosh is like asking to be the Raptors, because we wouldn't have the money to sign anyone.

Bosh isn't worth the money end of story.

 

haha, finish your write up, i think this idea should be discussed because miami just may go for it.