"Kidd is better then Magic," says my friend. Please help him!

Why?

He thinks that one very good player is better than another great player...so what?

 

I'm not saying that Kidd is better than Magic...There are even at least a handful of other point guards I would take over Kidd. But if he thinks that Jason Kidd is better than Magic Johnson, why should we try to tell him otherwise?

I mean, What are you going to do? Print the responses out and show them to him until he changes his mind?

Anyway...Do you think that Jason Kidd is comparable to John Stockton, Gary Payton, Isaiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, West, Cousy, etc...?

If so, there are many that think that those players are better than Magic.

 

It is stupid to argue over this.....different people have different opinions.

They are both great players!

 

than magic, than. i don't get it, i see people everywhere write then instead of than, even saw it in a newspaper. did i miss the memo on this one or something. than, than, than.

 

Magic is arguably one of the top three players of all time. Wife-beater is not even top fifty.

I dont see Kidd starting at center in the Finals and scoring 40 pts and getting double digit rebs or assists any time soon.

 

No, Magic is objectively a better player. You can look up statistics, count the rings, check the assists, check the performance in big games from the beginning of each career...by *any conceivable measure* Magic Johnson is better than Jason Kidd at *everything* in basketball. Everything. Is this clear?

 

Fist question: what Magic? The one at the beginning of his career (quicker and more atheltic) or at the end (more experienced and with a better shot)?

My opionion is tha Magic was a better finisher, a better shooter (even if his mechanic was horrible) at the end of his career.
But Kidd is WAY WAY WAY a better defender.
Comparing the stats doesn't make much sense, considering that they played in different decades against different oppponents (and in the 80s the scores were higher=better numbers).
One last thing: for today's standards, Magic is a small forward with PG skills (a point forward). He would have had to play with two guards, 'cause there's no way he could have ever defended against nowday's backcourt players.

 

Are you telling me guys like Isiah, Dumars, Cheeks, Sidney Moncrief, Derrick Harper, Danny Ainge, Fat Lever, Terry Porter, and a young Stockton are not comparable in quickness and overall skill to the PGs of today?

Sure Magic would have had a hard time guarding Franchise or Baron Davis (who doesn't)--but any harder time than guarding Isiah or Dumars or some of those other folks, I don't think so.

 

I should of told you this before. Your going to have too get use too alot of bad grammer on these boards.

 

Defensively, Kidd can shut down opposing point-guards (especially frailer ones), force turnovers and rebound pretty well. Magic, while average, had the height advantage and could force mismatches playing any position.

Nevertheless, Kidd is an average offensive point-guard. His shooting is a liability (though his mechanics have definitely improved since his days at Cal, he's never come close to finishing as well as Magic could, or shooting off the dribble). Teams could play off of Magic because of his "poor" shooting, be he could still shoot well over the league average. Why? His presence in the middle meant that his teammates could fill the lanes on fast breaks and score pretty efficiently, which is why the showtime Lakers' offense was consistently fast-paced. Secondly, at halfcourt, he could drive much better than Kidd because he didn't have to dish off so often.

Like Magic, Kidd improves his teammates in every major statistical category. However, the former has the major edge; the latter is at most a borderline hall-of-famer who isn't getting any better.

 

I think Magic, at the current momment, is in a different class than Jason Kidd. Magic is one of the top 5 players ever. Kidd isn't even one of the top 5 players today.

 

I never meant to say that Kidd is as good as or better than Magic...

Magic is commonly regarded as the greatest PG ever, Kidd isn't.

I just don't see why thereasonsf3's friend needs "help."

Didn't you have another thread recently asking everyone to help a friend who thought that Shaq isn't the best player in the league?

 

lol

 

Kidd isn't even better than Gary Payton...

 

how often did you see Magic guarding Thomas or Cheeks?
as far as I remember Cooper or Scott were moved on the opposite PG.

magic was incredibly skilled, but not incredibly athletically gifted: he was not as quick as Bryant or McGrady, considering that those two can't guard a PG for 48 minutes, how could Magic?
Magic would be a PF-SF on defence.

 

Kidd should not even be used in the same sentence as Magic. Magic is a great player, he could do it all. Kidd is a great PG, IMO the best PG right now, but that does not put him in the category of Magic.
Magic did have a lot of talent around him (most notably Kareem) but Magic changed the ways teams played. He was so big most PGs had trouble matching up. Often a SG or SF would match up with Magic causing other mismatches for Worty or Scott or Cooper.
I like Kidd but no way is he in the class as Magic.