This from DA's latest column on espn.com * The Rockets now have the league's largest exception ($4.4 million), which they have to use by October. But like Indiana, Houston isn't going to use the exception unless it can get a big-time power forward. Rockets plan to be under the cap next summer, once Hakeem Olajuwon's $14 million comes off the books. Rockets also think they've got a sleeper in forward Dan Langhi, who lit up the Rocky Mountain Revue summer league. I don't think we will let the exception go to waste, but I really like the fact we are looking for a "Big time PF" with it. I know it doesn't give out a whole lot of information, but it was something worth noting... http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/aldridge/665101.html ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited August 03, 2000).]
If you define a big time PF as someone who is in the top half of the NBA, then narrow it down to those who might be available and the Rockest would want, it makes a small list. PJ........avaialble but what package to offer? Fizer.....avaialble but what package to offer? Camby.....not in the top half Coleman...pass on that Duncan....N/A Kemp......pass on that Wallace...N/A and Houston wouldn't give up Francis to get him Baker.....pass K Malone..won't happen McDyess...won't happen A Davis...maybe in top half ........ could go on with the list, but PJ and Fizer seem like the 2 most tradeable PFs out there. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated!
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GO SMEG!!!! you hit it on the nose, and i think the celtics will bite. fortson said he wants to go to golden state but not for the 2.5 exception. he said he'd rather stay with the celts (who traded him north of the border for peanuts last year, or tried to anyway). secondly pitino would love to have the exception because then he can deal for a shooting guard. i think this might work out. or we can work a three way and get adonal foyle. ------------------ "When the mind is thinking, it is talking to itself." .... Plato
Mango (or anybody), Can PJ be traded again so quickly after being traded from Miami? Is there any kind of limitation on players being traded right after being acquired by a team? It seems like we talked about something like that (at least under some circumstances) about the time the Rockets sent Pippen to Portland. I just don't remember anything in particular, and I might just be confused after all this time. ------------------
Fortson I like, but being a free agent he would have to agree to come here, and supposedly he fell in love with the Warriors (WHY??) after meeting them. They now are trying to arrange a sign and trade to get him there, so he's probably out of the picture. Looking at the landscape of NBA PF's though, there is one player who is attainable, fits the description of a big-time PF, and would fit the mold of the Rockets. Marcus Fizer. To get him would be a dream come true. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Vote in the 64 player 1 on 1 NBA Tournament! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000958.html
Actually I heard Rudy on Star610 today and he said something to the effect that the Rockets wouldn't use the exception just for the sake of using it because they didn't want to mess up the chances of landing a big free agent next season when Dream's contract expires. I guess unless they get something they really like for the exception then they're going to let it expire and get a little farther under the cap next year. ------------------ "Somebody DO something out there." -Bill Walton
Mango, Is Brown available now before 12/15? Does that rule only apply to signed & traded FAs? Is Coleman from the Hornets a better fit? I'm excited to see that the Rockets recognize who is in the position of power and will not waste the exception just to give us something to talk about. ------------------ Dubyah: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb—I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of—I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas. Jim Lehrer: Florida. Dubyah: Florida. The state of the Florida. —The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, April 27, 2000 Dubyah Speaks [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited August 03, 2000).]
Seems like the only restriction is that, sign-trade-trade deals are forbidden. There is a noticeable waiting period before the player can get traded again. Out of E Campbell, PJ and Coleman; PJ is probably the most marketable and there have been rumors of PJ going on from the Hornets to the Lakers for Rice. The Hornets should check with the Bucks about the availbility of Big Dog for PJ or some similar deal. The salaries are probably not to terribly off and Big Dog still has more game left than Rice. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated!
Mango, What you are missing is that the trade exception can transfer in situations not involving a BYC (still part of it would). What does that mean....say for instance top notch PF really wants to leave a team at the end of this year. Before they become a free agent, their team wants to trade them while in good bargaining position. They find there are no great offers. So, instead they look at our trade exception as pure value (much like cap room). They trade down to us so they get the trade exception to use later. (we add fluff to match salaries.) With that scenario where teams are attracted purely to the value of our trade exception to use later, I contend your list of PFs available should be larger. To explain the value of the trade exception, let me just say that sign-n-trades for big time free agents is pretty much impossible to do without cap room, a trade exception or some crazy ass multi-team deal involving a team with cap room or a trade exception.
heypartner, Sure the list could be longer, but is Webber truly available? When does the King's position weaken? Throw a few more names at us. I went to the Coon site for info about trades. " In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances: When the player is playing under a one-year contract and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the contract. When the trading deadline has passed. For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or draft rookie. In combination with other players for two months after receiving the player in trade, if the team is over the salary cap. For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him). After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during a season, or until the first day of the next season if the player was claimed during the offseason. " So PJ would have to be sent out as a singular and not a combination in a trade. Mango ------------------ 1. Put new topics in the proper forum 2. Use clear wording for new threads 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult The Serious Police are watching Donate Blood or be assimilated! [This message has been edited by Mango (edited August 03, 2000).]
Haven, you are on at the same time I am, have you heard about the ridiculous post that we were going to acquire Wallace by Saturday? ------------------ "See they pick and pick and pick. Man they picked me to death." -Steve Francis on the Utah Jazz
lilstevie: Yeah, and I think the same as you do about it . It's "ridiculous." Even if Portland wanted to get rid of Wallace, I'm sure they could find superior value to any package we'd have to offer. After all, they don't need our trade exception. They're ridiculously over the cap, and they don't need to save a few pennies with Paul Allen's billions. ------------------
There are too many people who like to make up bull **** just to get responses, like a couple weeks ago some guy stated that we were going to acquire Stromile Swift for people of no value to them. ------------------ "See they pick and pick and pick. Man they picked me to death." -Steve Francis on the Utah Jazz
the trade exception isn't about saving pennies...cause if you used it it would turn into salary. Our gloriousn and unique $4.4m trade exception is about freedom to make any deal work under trade rules without involving a 3rd team. it has value all to itself...much like cap room. and considering much of the salary cap loop-holes have been closed in the new CBA, the trade exception has become more important in making trades work than before the new CBA.
we're not getting Pj brown. i just see all of these posts going around about getting PJ, but it's not going to happen. i hope i'm wrong, but it's not happening. With mason leaving the hornets don't really have much help upfront for elden campbell and coleman. and if one of those two guys gets injured or starts playing badly they'll have a donut in the middle. they are more then likely keeping him for insurance. about him going to the lakers for rice... it's mainly rumors because the lakers have wanted rice (or any other serviceable big man) for the longest time. the only trouble is that other teams don't want to trade them because they don't want to make the lakers a dynasty for about the next 10 years. about fortson... he does want to play for golden state, but they can't get a straight up deal to work with the celtics because of the cap or something like that. that's where the rockets come in with their exception... we might not get fortson, but we could end up with someone like foyle. ------------------ "When the mind is thinking, it is talking to itself." .... Plato
or maybe we could get erik dampier. ------------------ johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis. dan roan: why!!!!! johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.
Hey Cat, have you got any trade proposal for this without having to give up Cato or next year's draft picks? I agree with on Fortson, but one thing worries me though. Fortson does not have a great D, the element which desperately need in order to make the PO. ------------------ Hack a Shaq you'll be winning Hack-him you'll be dreaming.
Doesn't Erik Dampier has ridiculous contract? Also he is a injury prone. How about Antwan Jamison. ------------------ Hack a Shaq you'll be winning Hack-him you'll be dreaming.
