Exactly. I've seen him "put the cuffs" on other good players besides Roy. But playing for a brainless franchise that rarely gives a care about defense takes its toll. Ellis needs to play for a coach he can actually respect and for a franchise with a clue, then we'll see how he really compares to Kevin Martin (who also I like). Some people around here will be surprised.
He is a plyer that would come into Houston and expect to be a scorer and have the offense run through him. He has already had his taste of stardom and why would he settle for less than 20 shots a night. No thanks.
That's why he would be perfect for a team, like Portland or Chicago. Even, New Orleans, playing on a team with some structure.
I'd part with our 14th pick and courtney lee to get this guy what about 14th pick 23rd pick courtney lee chase budinger jordan hill brad miller for monta ellis
Ellis was a great defensive player his rookie year, he had to play defense to get on the court under Mike Montgomery. Too bad his next coach had no interest in coaching defense. Good news is he is still relatively young, but he did come in a high schooler and has to unlearn 5 years of not playing defense.
WOW... that would be a TERRIBLE move by the Wolves.... but one I could see them make. Ellis does not defend, involve his teammates, or manage the flow of the offense at all.... he has hollow numbers, and has never won .... He would go perfect on the Wolves... he and Beasley would lead them all the way to 30 wins... AMAZING
yes he is actually. i would take monta ellis over martin real easily. ellis is a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better scorer than martin.
This thread reeks of people who haven't seen Ellis play, and judge by looking at his stats, and overall team wins, that he isn't an impactful player. Is he AS impactful as his stats? Probably not, but he's not some sort of terrible defender that people are making him out to be. I've seen nearly every game of Monta's and the Warriors over the past couple of seasons, and I'd describe Monta's defense as inconsistent. I'd call a guy like Kevin Martin bad, because he's never shown the capability to be a good defender, even for a game. To the poster referring to the game against Brandon Roy, thank you. His defense in that game was absolutely stifling, and completely took a healthy and active Brandon Roy out of the game. He's got good quickness, deceptive strength, and is a nightmare in the passing lanes. Before you all jump on me for saying steals are not an equation for defense, I'm just stating that he's good in the passing lanes, and has shown that he can man up to guard his man. I think with proper coaching and a team with a more veteran presence (let's be honest, the Warriors have had too much a happy-go, non committal franchise), that Monta could become easily an above average defender. Now offensively, this has it's advantages for Ellis, as the pace is ridiculous, thus more possessions. But his offensive arsenal in general is much more deadly than Martin's because of one reason. And that's his ability to create his own shot, Monta isn't afraid to take the big shot, has a knockdown mid range jumpshot, and improved three point shot, and is one of the better players in the league in terms of creating space to get off his jumper. Then you consider what he can do when he gets in the open floor (I believe, only LeBron James has scored more open court points than Monta in the past couple of seasons), Monta is a deadly scorer. And please don't bring that TS% argument. It's a matter of watching the game with your eyes. Kevin Martin has a higher TS% than Derrick Rose too, does that mean I'd rather have the ball in Martin's hand to score in the clutch? No. Martin is a more efficient scorer than Kobe as well. Does that mean I'd rather have the ball in Martin's hand? Hell no. Monta is just much better at creating his own shot, and putting pressure on the defense. This isn't even to mention that Monta is also a better rebounding guard, and an improving passer that's reduced his amount of turnovers, and increased his amount of assists. With the birth of his kid, he's really become a more mature player off the court this past season, and I think that showed on the court as well. And again, before we go all about how Monta can't "win," or can't play within a team, and praise Martin for this. Let's not forget that Monta was a 17 PPG scorer (also with a very high TS%) for a playoff team that went to the 2nd round. Just the next season, the Warriors won 48 GAMES with Monta being a 20 PPG scorer on 58% TS. IIRC he had a month (February), where he averaged 26 PPG on 60% from the field, becoming one of the only few guards in NBA history to shoot 60% from the field for a month while putting up that volume of points. This was on a team that won 48 games, and he was playing primarily off the ball, next to Baron Davis at the PG position (when he was good). Heck, he even plays next to another PG in Steph Curry right now, who was slightly inconsistent this past season that Monta had to take on a bigger role. Monta does have his faults, he isn't a superstar, and can be somewhat reckless at times, but he does put his imprint on the game, something that I don't think can fortunately be said for Martin.
How do you feel about the Monta Ellis - Zach Randolph comparison? Meaning, Monta could be someone with whom the light clicks on later in his career and he puts it all together. He's an amazing scorer, but he needs to learn to trust/lean on his teammates more.. if he ever figured that out, I think he could take the next step into superstar land.
Monta would be perfect for Dallas. He'll switch defensive roles with Kidd and be a Barea on steroids!
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I love Kevin Martin but I'd give him up in a heartbeat if it meant getting Monta in return. Monta's one of the quickest, craftiest and most explosive penetrator's in the league. He's like a one man fast break. Just thinking about the idea that he's on the trade block makes me salivate even though there's zero to no chance we get him. If he played for a disciplined coach from the beginning like Sloan when he was around or Popovich... he'd be a bonafide superstar already. Come to think of it he's like a rich man's Tony Parker and that's high praise cause I don't think Parker is a slouch.
yes because monta actually drives to the basket and actually tries to score. kenvin martin just tries to draw contact on every play instead trying to score. ellis also has a faster quick first step than martin, and can drive to the basket with ease regardless of height. i take it that alot of you have not seen monta ellis play before.
Ellis is way better at creating his own shot that Martin, though Martin is a much better shooter and has mastered his craft better. However Ellis is too small to play at SG and he is not good enough at facilitating, running plays or creating for others to play PG. You can get away with playing Ellis at PG if you have have a really good wingman who can do PG duties like TMAC, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Iggy and the likes of those. So Ellis is no go for us. We need solid two players who specialise at their positions. Not one players and tweeners who play out of their positions.
