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Phil Jackson should be fired

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Free Agent, Oct 31, 2002.

  1. Free Agent

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    The Lakers are 0-2. Obviously he can't coach anymore. Kobe is hogging the ball and Jackson has no control over his team.

    Phil Jackson should go.
     
  2. TheReasonSF3

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    You have some serious issues. Shaq isn't playing. Who does he have to pass to? Fire Phil Jackson? LOL. You are crazy. I hope that you are joking.
     
  3. foodworld

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    One word... Samake. Poor man's Manute Bol.
     
  4. Truth

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    Free Agent's post was leaking with sarcasm. I'm pretty sure he was joking, but if he wasn't he needs to be in rehab,
     
  5. Free Agent

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    Of course. But it's the same arguement being used on the Rockets board about Rudy. I just came over here for a breath of fresh air.
     
  6. TheReasonSF3

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    You can not compare Rudy and Jackson. I have never liked Rudy.
     
  7. Dreamshake

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    A few things of note.

    1. Owns the last three titles
    2. Uses a professional style offense
    3. Manages to be a players coach and dictate how a game is going to be run
    4. Shaq > Rice, Kenny, MoT and any other two Rockets not including Francis and Mobley.
    5. Remind us of how getting Shaq and Kobe to win isnt a greater accomplishment than getting Barkley, Hakeem, and Drexler or Barkley, Hakeem, and Pippen to win.
     
  8. DCkid

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    Not even when the team he coached won two championships? Sheesh, what's wrong with you?
     
  9. Invisible Fan

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    At least give Rudy a bye until the All-Star break before calling up to the sports radio show in hopes of getting him canned...
     
  10. kidrock8

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    We gave him all of last year...
     
  11. codell

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    Assuming there are not any crippling injuries this year, our current campaign will be a make or break year for Rudy. Les obviously has high expections, very high. I think its very possible that this season, and perhaps next, will be the last opportunities Rudy has to make this work.
     
  12. FlyWilliams

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    I disagree. It would be terrible timing for Les to can Rudy with the new arena opening next year. Besides, coaches get turned over when they can't get people to get along and/or they repeatedly make personnel decisions that the owner or GM doesn't agree with.
     
  13. Holden

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    Rudy Tomjanovich, in a sense, created the team you are cheering for. He was behind every draft pick, and every trade the Houston Rockets made. If you are a Houston Rockets fan, you have to support Rudy, because in a sense this is his creation. I respect him for not having the ego, to move on to a different team when our team was obviously rebuilding. I do not believe that "coaching" has such a significant impact everyone says it does. in other words i think coaching is overrated. just look at all the nuts on here that think they know how to divide playing time and exploit matchups. Therefor i put the majority of blame on the players for losing.

    Phil Jackson is lucky. and he is lucky because of the situations he has found himself in. i think that Rudy Tomjanovich would have 9 rings himself, if he had coached the Bulls for those 6 seasons, and the Lakers for those three. i think lenny wilkins would have 9 rings, i think Bob Huggins would have 9 rings. i even think Kurt Rambus would have 9 rings coaching all those teams all those years. i do not respect phil jackson, and i dont give the coaching proffession as much respect as everyone else does. at the same time, Rudy is as good a coach as anyone else...for what its worth.

    its all about managing personalities. i dont see anyone on the rockets fighting right now. i dont think phil jackson would have accomplished anything with scottie, hakeem, and charles on the same team. they didnt fit together correctly, x's and o's wise.

    did rudy handle barkley and drexler hating each other as well as phil jackson could have? yes, in my opinion
    could rudy have handled dennis rodman as well as phil jackson did? yes, in my opinion
    could rudy get shaq and kobe to coexist? yes, in my opinion
    is rudy a better coach than phil jackson? no in my opinion
    is phil jackson a better coach than rudy? no in my opinion

    phil jackson has a bigger ego. he made sure hed coach the best teams in order to win. so there for hes the best coach.

    its much ado about nothing...
     
  14. codell

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    Coaches also get fired by simply not being able to make the talent mesh. Its like the saying goes, you fire the coach because you cant fire the players.

    Its not that I disagree or agree that this should be Rudy's last shot. I just get a bad vibe when I listen to what Les has to say. Do not discount what he says. Hes expecting a winner this year, and if we are healthy and dont perform up to his expectations, its not a 100% given that Rudy will be back. I dont care about the new arena. Les knows that unless we win, the fans wont come.
     
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    The things that worries me is Yao and the rapport he may form with Rudy and the rest coaching stuff. Breaking that up could be pretty detrimental to Yao's development. I think there's a better chance of Rudy resigning because of a bad season, than Les firing him.
     
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    Very true. Yao is obviously a big Rudy guy. Yet, Im concerned that animosity may grow in Yao if he doesnt get his touches. I believe Windandsea posted an article in the other forum that had a quote from Yao saying something to the effect of "I know i cant depend on our guards". Im hoping something was lost in the translation.

    Regardles, if we are healthy this year and dont make any noise, I can totally see Rudy stepping up or down or Les forcing the move.
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    And I was there saying he wasn't a great coach and that this year should prove if its his last or not.

    But I also believe that every year is a different situation. Rudy should be given a legitimate chance to see if he can make his players mesh on the court.
     
  18. Free Agent

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    That is probably the most ignorant statement I've seen to date. I hope you are just trying to be a smart ass because you are a complete fool if that's what you really think.

    What coach could have possibly done better with what Rudy had to put as his starting 5 last season?

    I want this team to succeed just as much as anyone else but I'm not going to be an ass about it.
     
  19. FlyWilliams

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    I see your point, but I read Les' comments differently. I think Les' "irrational exuberance" is 1/2 marketing B.S. and 1/2 raising the bar on the players. From his perspective, management has added youth, shooting, and size with two consecutive drafts, and I think he is giving notice to the people that take the biggest bite out of his bottom line that it's time to play team ball and get wins. After all, Rudy didn't act alone in bringing in Drexler, Barkley, and Pippen, and not resigning Hakeem. Rebuilding was inevitable, and Les can't blame the last couple years on the coach.
     
  20. ROXTXIA

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    Talent and whatever aside, Yao Ming is also to Rudy Tomjanovich as Dan Quayle was to George Herbert Walker Bush.

    OK, a bit of a stretch on the analogy (impeachment insurance), but it really helped our team when Rudy showed up in China as the face of Yao's new team. "Hey, Coach Rudy!" "Hey, Coach T!"
     

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