20-25 pounds in 6 months is doable if you are in your early-mid twenties and never used to lift seriously. Experienced lifters add only 5-10 because they have already peaked. How much fat you can cut without losing much muscle varies from individual to individual, obviously
the block head on dwade is a dead giveaway. never put two and two together when looking at his stupid looking jaw line. it all adds up now.
How did i make your point? By "pro-level" i meant workouts usually done in pro sports, not that he was performing at a pro level in workouts. There's a difference. Anyone here can do these pro level workouts, if they are scaled down to fit their current level of conditioning or strength. It doesn't mean they are lifting the same weight or running the same time as pro athletes. And yes, Im the one who said they can 15-20 pounds in 5 months. And you're right, it won't be pure muscle, there's definitely some fat involved, which is why id didn't specify it would be pure muscle, but i can see where i could have been more clear about it. The thing is, general fans look at "bulking" as gaining weight/mass, not building pure muscle. This actually adds to the point i made about Kobe and wade not needing steroids to put on the mass they gained. They look bigger because they gained muscle and fat, which isn't impossible to do in that amount of time. However, fans see them and think it's 20 pound of muscle, so surely they must be on steroids, right? That's the mistake that's made. As for your comment about experienced lifters, they have a base already, which makes it more difficult for them to make larger gains. 8-10 pounds of muscle in a year is ridiculous a general rule, especially for beginners. 2-3 pounds a month is realistic with proper training/nutrition. That's 10-15 pounds of muscle in 5 months. We all have our limits when it comes to muscle gain and it's different for everyone. Let's say, in general, we have a 100 lb muscle max. A skinny teen playing ball may have only used 10 pounds of that. An experience lifter, is probably closer to 40 or 50, since they have experience already. Therefore, their gains moving forward are more limited, while the NBA-bound teen can make a bigger jump initially because they have more room to. It's not the same, but similar to the obese people who can easily lose 15-20 pounds initially. They can make a bigger jump initially than those of us who are already at a decent weight.
That's not a dead give away, that can be due to also a mixture of muscle and fat along the area. To gain weight he had to eat more, to eat more you have to chew more, which "working out" your masseter muscle, which happens to be the muscle along the outer portion of your jaw line. It can drastically change the appearance of the jaw. Cosmetic doctors actually inject botox into the muscle to slim down jaw lines.
Oh god, the "everyone who doesn't agree with me is a hater" poster. Isn't there a Lakers/Kobe forum somewhere you should be posting on?
Can you actually tell without a physical exam of the jaw though? From what i understand, not everyone is a candidate. A doctor has to examine the jaw and determine if it's the bone structure or an actual over developed masseter. From the pictures i've seen, that boxy look can be due to the muscle as well. Either way, couldn't an increase in eating, especially eating more protein-rich foods that are tougher to chew like meats, cause an increase in the size of the muscle and bone, which would together drastically change the shape of the jaw? It also seems like some men's jaws tend to widen naturally as they get into their mid to late 20s. I'm not sure if this can be pre-determined by their genes as part of the growing process at this point of their lives or if it's simply a result of them eating more as adults.
Yes to the first part, but it shouldn't be drastic. And the second part is also true, the effects are minor. My point is, if you look at a guy like Arnold, you can see HGH usage in his face. The easiest way to determine if someone has been using HGH is to compare their adult face from the past to the present. This is a good refresher on the effects of chronicly elevated HGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acromegaly
Running with 200lbs of fat is the same as running with 200lbs of muscle. They both weigh the same. All you really need for the NBA are huge lower body muscles and limited upper body muscles. That's why Kobe decided to cut weight like 4 years ago and he played better the year after.
SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears "Let me be clear, I do not believe there is a performance enhancing drug problem in the NBA," said Bulls Derrick Rose in a statement.
Every year we hear about all these NBA players that "bulked up" in 2 months of off season workouts and gained "20-25 pounds of pure muscle". This is pure fantasy and nonsense. In case you were unaware, when you hear an NBA player, coach, GM, scout, announcer use the phrase "bulked up in the off season" it means that they hit the PEDs hard. No one, absolutely no one, can gain 25 pounds of pure muscle in 2 months without using substances. There is no diet/workout program that allows for this, no matter how much some people may falsely that claim there is. It's strange that so many people don't even seem to know what the code words and lingo for using are.
1. The off season isn't two months long. 2. Find me the quotes that state players put on 20 to 25 pounds of pure muscle. what you'll find is that they said or wrote "pounds" or if the article does say muscle, there isn't a quote from the player or trainer. The few times they do specificy muscle it's because they dont know any better, not because they're actually saying the truth. 3. People dont know the "code words" because there aren't none. The real issue is fans tend to believe everything they hear and draw conclusions from that, but players aren't personal trainers and journalists are going to try and spice up their work. As for Rose's recent comment, the question was worded poorly because you dont know what was really being asked. Rose is not the type to make a comment like that and even if he was, he hasn't been around enough players or in the NBA, to know. What probably happened is that people started saying Rose said a lot of players took steroids, so he had to set them straight. I would think any athlete would.
I don't doubt that PED's is used in the NBA; but I doubt its that big of an issue. Since when did basketball become a HIGH ENDURANCE sport? Short sprints for 15-20 minutes with multiple short breaks, 30 minute break, followed by another 15-20 minutes of short sprints. That sounds like high intensity interval training to me; something bodybuilders do when they want to do cardio without losing to much muscle mass. Its definately not something you would need oxygen rich blood for. Weight training is more advanced now than they used to be. I wouldn't immediately look at the bulkiest guy and attribute it to PEDs. I'll probably sound like a douche by asking this but, how many of you guys saying D. Howard, LeBron, Wade etc. are taking HGH/Steroids to get that big have a legit heavy lifting regimen coupled with a proper diet? I'm a pretty spotty weight lifter with bad diet, but I honestly don't see having a D. Wade body-type being out of reach without steroid usage. And somebody said something about needing PEDs to maintain their image. How about the risk of getting caught. Barry Bonds much?
A Reason why alot of people consider Dwade as a user is because of the transformation of his face. Most people who use those types of drugs tend to get bigger in the head area too. DWade's head is about twice the size it was a rookie.
