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Carlisle: Dirk is top 10 player in NBA history

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by AB423, May 9, 2011.

  1. astrosrule

    astrosrule Member

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    he's better then malone, malone had a hall of fame PG and coach and failed over the over in crunch time
     
  2. typhooonn

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    top20 and no ring???
     
  3. double d

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    More like Kiki Vanderweghe. Dirk just struck gold cuz they juggled a good roster around him this year
     
  4. Shroopy2

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    SHAQ
    Garnett
    Kobe
    Oscar
    Dr J
    Lebron

    possibly:
    David Robinson
    Karl Malone


    Dirk can get a top 25 when its all said and done and his teams keep winning, especially with a championship. Then there's Dwayne Wade who can make his way up the ranks with another championship.

    This isnt even Dirk's best playoffs, just shows what team success can do to reputation.
     
  5. dback816

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    I see some very overrated, ringless, and pointless-to-compare-because-of-vastly-different-time-period names in there.
     
  6. Canadiandude

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    Nein, nein, nein, nein, nein.





    Nein.
     
  7. Johndoe804

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    Actually, by several defensive measures, Dirk's defense has improved since the Mavericks acquired Tyson Chandler, since he doesn't have to guard centers at all anymore.
     
  8. plutoblue11

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    For Power Forwards, maybe.

    NO Order

    Tim Duncan
    Karl Malone
    Bob Pettit
    Elvin Hayes
    Charles Barkley
    Kevin McHale
    Kevin Garnett
    Jerry Lucas
    Dave DeBusschere
    Bob McAdoo
    Chris Webber
    Rasheed Wallace


    Top 10, definitely not

    Wilt Chamberlain
    Michael Jordan
    Magic Johnson
    Bill Russell
    Kareem Abdul Jabbar
    Oscar Robertson
    Larry Bird
    Hakeem Olajuwon (That's already 8 right there)


    Jerry West
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Moses Malone
    Elgin Baylor
    Tim Duncan
    Kobe Bryant
    Bob Pettit
    Julius Erving (Dr. J)
    Rick Barry

    Karl Malone
    Charles Barkley
    Isiah Thomas
    LeBron James
    David Robinson
    George Gervin
    John Havilcek
    Dominique Wilkins
    Patrick Ewing
    John Stockton
    Gary Payton
    Elvin Hayes


    Clyde Drexler
     
  9. plutoblue11

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    His defense has steadily improved over his entire career.

    Under Nelson, he was a very poor defender
    Under Avery, he became a very average defender, somewhat decent at times
    Under Carlisle (but mainly with acquisition of Chandler and Haywood), he doesn't have to guard in the paint as much.
     
  10. cjtaylorpt

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    HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH.

    Top 10?



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  11. FaBo

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    LeBron is not close to top 10? The guy averages 27.7 ppg, 7.0 apg and 7.1 rpg in his career. More rebounds and assists than MJ, by the way. Oh, and did I forget his playoff averages? 28.9 ppg, 7.1 apg and 8.6 rpg. I know a lot of guys don't like LeBron, but saying he's not close to a top 10 player is simply ignorant.

    And look at Dirk's playoff career averages: 25.6 ppg and 10.6 rpg sound pretty damn good to me. I mean, I hate the Mavs as much as anybody here, but you can't deny Dirk's exceptional skills offensively.
     
  12. rhino17

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    A guy with exactly ZERO rings is nowhere close to the top 10
     
  13. flamingdts

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    I wouldn't even say Dirk is a good rebounder.

    Good rebounders get 10 boards a game, great rebounders go for more than that.

    Guys like Barkley, Duncan, Hakeem etc. Those guys are great rebounders.

    Good rebounders would be guys like Bogut, Randolph, Lee etc.

    Nowitzki is only an average rebounder, at best a little better than average
     
  14. t_mac1

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    you can't be a top 10 player of all time when for a few years, freakin' pau gasol was widely considered to be the best PF in the game. that's just a disgrace.
     
  15. FaBo

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    And by the way, Dirk is one of only four players in NBA history to average 25 points and 10 rebounds per game in the playoffs. I'm not saying he's a top 10 all time player (yet), but easily top 20.
     
  16. durvasa

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    This isn't even worth debating. Carlisle obviously thinks very highly of Nowitzki and knows better than anyone how Nowitzki makes everything easier for his team. If he wants to heap praise on his player, while prefacing it with "In my opinion", who cares?
     
  17. acsorelle4

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    No, he's not.
     

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