Houston Tx:- Sorry but your observations are not that of the Coach and General Manager! Brown was a shoot first, assist second. Tito is a pass first kind of Point Guard and was needed more by the Rockets.His driving to the basket draws much attention and he is dishing it out to the shooters!
The title of this thread deserves some type of award. You are talented Rockhead. Im sure you can come up with a picture showing Houstontx in compromising positions with animals. Although that might not be appropriate for this board. lol
Ease up flyboy.... after clicking on your thread and realizing THERE WERE NO PICS, i didn't even bother to read your drivel and I don't care to dispute your "facts"....and if i could change the title, I would, but I can't and you can't either... so sit back and watch the flames roll in, Maverick Oh, glad you realized it was a bad title!
You are a smart man. There is no disputing it... ICE MAN! I said I would admit it if you had enough to tell me or dispute that the trust in Rudy is there ONLY bc he rode the shoulders of Dream to 2 championships. Had he got to the finals those years and not won the championships, you all would be calling for his head. Those 2 titles do not make him immune to criticism!
1) Actually, HP made a good point about Hawkins being the better all around player. At this point, with Mobley, Francis and Moochie assured of getting most of the minutes in the backcourt, Rudy might feel that its more important to have a defensive specialist and someone who is a better passer. Plus the fact that Hawkins can play 2 or 3 positions. Versatility counts for something. I think alot of teams would rather have those intangibles than a player who will get you 20PPG two or three times a year. Hawkins looks like a pretty good choice considering our injury situation going into the season at the 3. 2) The Rockets rolled the dice on Cato and lost. It happens to other teams and its just a given in the NBA these days. Not necessarily Rudy's fault. Alot of NBA teams have a Kelvin Cato just like us. 3) Shandon was what he was. It should be noted that he his production during his stint here was better than it was when he was in Utah. Plus 3.5MIL a season can be considered by some to be the average salary for the average NBA player, which Shandon certainly is. He was by no means a bad player for us. 4) When Griffin was drafted, I believe he was looked at as a 3 with potential to play the 4 (i might be wrong on this). Perhaps Rudy saw him as our future 3 (since we had no one there at the time he was drafted). With Mo's injury, it just happened that Griff saw alot of time at the 4 and developed nicely while Mo was out. So in hindsight, Rudy probably saw Griffin and Taylor on the court together instead of playing the same position, hence his signing of Taylor after the draft. 5) Ive said it before, and Im sure some will disagree. I feel that Moochie's clutch shooting at the end of games last year somewhat justifies his contract although not entirely. Moochie has his flaws that have been well documented on this board. But its nice to have a backup who has gumption and WANTS the ball in his hands with the game on the line and who will come through quite often. 6) Rudy is not immune because of his 2 titles. But those two titles, in conjuction with the fact that most of his players like playing for him, and the fact that Rudy has never been with an orginazation other than the Rockets, allows him the benefit of the doubt more often than not. The fact that he is beloved in the city counts for something. Rudy may have made some poor choices, but they have been somewhat balanced out by some of the players that have overacheived for him (Mobley, Harrington, Thomas, all the CBA scrubs from the past, etc.). The pendelum swings both ways, even with the best of em. 7) I really dont think you can assume Webber would have come here if we had $18 mil to spend. Webber knew what he had in Sacramento and stayed there. It not fair so assume that we were on the top of his list of places to go.
Name ONE SINGLE organization in all of sports that <b>hasn't</b> made some bad decisions, signed players to too mcuh money, kept guys who fans didn't like... NAME ONE!!! There isn't one. It is the way it goes in sports. That is the nature of the business. Jesus, you'd think we were the Bengals or something!!!
The only thing I can give you credit for is your moniker. Hard to believe it wasn't used before this. The rest is just a rehash of a rehash. What's even harder to believe is that this wasn't locked up.
Look we can agree to disagree. I think Rudy has made some positive moves, but has made just as many if not more shaky ones. He has had a longer leash than any other coach / coach GM in the league. If it were just Cato, or one of those moves I would not have a problem. If it were two I would be a little upset. All four together in a 3 year period are just enough to piss you off. Sure, Francis, Griffin Ming were all good, but is Rudy the mastermind? Some one earlier said not to blame him for the bad moves but wants to give him credit for the good ones. With Francis, they got lucky, plain and simple. He did not want to be there. With Griffin, the same thing. Rudy said it himself that NJ called him and said "do you want Griffin." Ming, luck of the lotto. Let's hope he is able to get it done so we can all enjoy watching them, but when it comes down to it we should be able to call a spade a spade.
The way you make it sound, seems like we could have a monkey in Rudy's seat and we would have still obtained Francis, Mobley, Griffin, Ming, etc. Go look at the track record of Elgin Baylor and Scott Layden. Im sure you would appreciate Rudy a little bit more afterwards
codell, I typically respect your posts bc they are fairly educated and objetive, but that was one of the worst I have seen from you. To say that is the same as comparing other energy companies to Enron or Dynegy. Why make an example by using the worst two GMs. Or are those the only two you think are worse at what they do than Rudy & CD? Hmm, I am not sure which it is. In looking at it as a whole, theRockets are middle of the pack or below in personnel decisions. Take away the 4 blunders I spoke of, they are at the top. Conversely, take away the luck in landing Francis, Griffin, & Ming and they would be right there with Elgin Baylor and Scott Layden... lower than whale ****
I completely agree that they are in the middle of the pack. Thats not what you implied with your first and some of your subsequent posts. You critized Rudy and Carol for poor decisions but NEVER mentioned the good decisions that they have made. The attitude in your flammatory statements seem to reflect the opinion that Rudy and Carol are not good evaluators of talent and must be some of the worst in the league. And if you did not mean this, then 1) You shouldnt have used a false thread title to attact attention 2) You should have just said "I disagree with Rudy over these roster decisions" instead of making statements like "Tito must have pictures of Rudy with animals" (Rudy deserves a little bit more respect around here than that) and 3)At least mention some of the favorable moves weve made instead of just the bad ones before you imply that Rudy or Carol is incompetent and are being blackmailed for roster spots. I used Layden and Baylor as a reference to prove that Rudy/Carol are, BY FAR, not the worst in the league at their jobs, which you seemed to be implying with the whole "animal picture" reference. Luck had nothing to do with landing Griffin and Francis. Any NBA team could have offered something if they wanted either one and Im sure many others, besides the Rockets, did. In the end, our offer was the best for both and thats why those two players are here. Therefore, Rudy and Carol should be held in a favorable light because of this. Getting the #1 pick was lucky. Obviously, but being able to evaluate the talent at the top of the draft and decide who is the best fit for your team has nothing to do with luck.
Good enough. Honestly, I had no idea that the title of the thread would be that big of a topic. It was not done to attract attention, it was done instead of mentioning beastiality in the title (j/k). I acknowledge his good moves, the reason I point directly at those 4 is ALL 4 at the time they were done had ALL of us saying "what the - - - -???" Sure they were the ones that pulled the trigger on the trades and in the case of the Francis one, they out bid other teams. Ming was luck. When I say that EG was luck, Rudy flat out said NJ called them and asked them if they wanted EG. It was not like they called around trying to put together a pkg for EG. Look, I specifiacally mentioned those 4 as I did not want to get into something that re-hashed all his moves as then we would have to go down the Turksan, Drew, Collier among others. God forbid I bring up the individual that brought Cato here. But as you said, they are not the worst, but they damn sure are not the best. I think there is a good foundation for a successful team here, I only wish they had a little additional money to get the players to put the team over the top, and they don't bc of 4 people.
Agreed. But honestly, almost every team in the league has a Kelvin Cato or a Shandon Anderson. Gotta take the good with the bad and hope that the good prevails in the end.
