How can you consider trading your starting PG for a player that is equal to your Back-up point guard. Right now Rubio is no better than Dragic, Dragic has actually outplayed Rubio in the FIBAs. Goran has better NBA talent that Ricky and the longer it takes Rubio to come to the NBA the less upside he will have. The answer would be H to the L No. Maybe I would think about trading Goran for Rubio. But thats about it
Have you ever seen Rubio play? He is incredibly overrated. He sees the floor really well and is certainly an above-average passer, but the rest of his game is essentially garbage. He shoots something like 30% from the field, and close to 20% behind the arc. Some say his game will translate better to the NBA than it does to Euro basketball, but I'm still very skeptical. Certainly I would never trade Lowry for him. Maybe some of our bench players and draft picks, but we already have a pretty decent backup PG in Dragic for next to nothing. I'm really happy with our backcourt going forward, Lowry/Dragic and Martin/Lee is an extremely solid backcourt. Now if we could somehow just get an all-star center or SF without trading any of them.....
So So True. I hope Morey does not shake up our back Court. Both of those combos are good enough to be on a championship team. C.Lee is a lot better than he showed us this year also. I have seen him practice. He can really get to the rim and slash, something he didnt do that much this year playing in the system We dont really need an All Star Center, If we could swing Deandre, Tyson or Gasol, that would do just fine. The SF position on the other hands needs to be upgraded. I like Chase but he can go for the right price.
Rubio is a little bit overrated and he's not ready for NBA. Lowry is much better, believe me. PD: Dragic>Rubio
Morey would in a heartbeat. Good thing we HAD Adelman to stop all that non-sense! http://dimemag.com/2009/06/rockets-offer-battier-and-brooks-for-ricky-rubio/ We’ve seen grown women get hot and bothered by Ricky Rubio‘s presence. And now, we’re seeing him have the same affect on stat geeks. Instead of trusting his secret formulas, Rockets GM Daryl Morey offered up two of his gems, Shane Battier and Aaron Brooks in exchange for the Spanish PG.
Looking back on it now, we should have seen this divorce coming, because these two men have disagreed on virtually every move. There was one draft day a couple of years ago when Morey summoned Adelman and told him he was going to trade a chunk of his roster for a dazzling European point guard named Ricky Rubio. "He could help us win a championship someday," Morey told him, "but we might win 20 games next season." Adelman was stunned. "Are you trying to get me fired?" he asked. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/rockets/7527605.html
It was different two years ago. I probably would have made that trade (well something similar, maybe not both Battier and Brooks) as well. Rubio was only 18 and looked like he was going to be an incredible player. But he hasn't improved (his shooting has gotten worse somehow) in that time like most people were projecting him to, so it would have been a major mistake. Although who knows what kind of difference an NBA coaching staff and training would have made.
Alright, somebody humor me. I know nothing about Ricky Rubio and have only seen his name mentioned in passing on the boards. One quick look at his career stats in Euroleague and it looks like he's putting up bench player numbers at best. Granted, stats don't tell the whole story, but for a European player to be effective in the NBA, I expect some level of domination overseas at least. Am I missing something here? Is this guy really cute or something? Most importantly, those of you willing to trade Lowry in this hypothetical situation: Did you see Lowry play this season??
People should realize that the rockets will be in rebuilding mode for several years. How many years does Lowry's current contract have? Do you think Lowry will resign with a rebuilding team (rockets) when his current contract is over? It doesn't matter how good he is right now. The rockets don't need him for rebuilding process. Rubio is a different story. He will be in his rookie contract for 4 years. After that, he will be a restricted free agent. The rockets can match his offer if they want. More importantly, when he develops into a good pg, the rockets will also finish their rebuilding process. In other words, Rubio is fitting with the rockets' rebuilding process.
Lowry looks to be the leader of this team for a long time. The only way I could see dealing him is for a VERY good BIG.
Nice answer. I don't think your logic is greatly flawed but take exception in a few cases. First, while it's great to see you concede the scouting to NBA scouts, as a fan board, I think it is inherent for us to occasionally take our own scouting positions. You've DEFINITELY done it in the past. As have I. I think most on this board (75/25 maybe?) have swung to the Rubio may be average but nothing super special side when it comes to their own, albeit resource lacking, takes on Rubio. I'd definitely be curious as to the general scouting consensus out there TODAY, as opposed to 2-3 years ago. Second, I'm not sure Morey's strategy, or the appropriate strategy is to swing THIS big. Trading for a player whose potential is diminishing, whose age is increasing, who's never played in the NBA, who may have some attitude issues (not saying he does, but the way the Minny situation worked out hasn't exactly been smooth), etc. And then trading someone whose turned out to be a really solid piece for you. And who, in my opinion, has more upside, ESPECIALLY defensively. Morey's collecting assets (regardless of what he calls them) to make a calculated, even if risky move. There's a ton of activity at the trade deadline. Teams seemingly routinely move packages of "ok" players and draft picks for stars. No, it hasn't happened yet for the Rockets. But IF that is the type of move you are proposing, I think you get more value for Lowry at the trade deadline. It's still a home run swing, but not a blind one. Next year is, of course, the Chris Paul / Dwight Howard year. And Kevin Love will also be a free agent the following offseason, though restricted. Chances of picking one of those guys up at the trade deadline = slim, but you never know. Basically, too big of a risk.
why look to rebuild for 3 more years...If we looking for that franchise player, it would take a 20 or below win season to get the high draft pick needed.. We arent close to having to take that drastic of direction...Rubio would probably fit well with what we have now..If we decide to get him, he's not the player I want to build my team around and start over...We need to go full throttle at Howard then see what we face thereafter... If we have these "valuable assets" Morey acquired , then we should get our man. We just attack and be relentless... Contrary to belief, Houston is a great destination for free agents..Its not like we're Cleveland or Utah...The reason we generally dont get 2nd tier free-agents to build around is probably because we really dont go after them hard..Alexander generally goes after the superstars .. Sometimes we get em...Alexander wont go for just tanking to acquire a player in the draft with "upside"...After all it is a business 1st....
I trust Morey in evaluating talent far more than anyone on this board, so I would be in support on this move. Plus, it will set the team up for the 2012 draft.
This is the type of buy low transaction I could see Morey doing. He bought low for Kyle Lowry when he was backup point guard on one of the worst lottery teams…look where he is now. He bought low for Dragic when he was playing like trash…comes here and scores a triple double. He bought low for Kevin Martin when he was coming off the latest of his perennial injuries…comes here and has a career year. If Morey still sees the superstar potential in Rubio, he would love giving up one player instead of gutting the entire team like two years ago. Remember when Morey said it’s impossible to get already good 7 footers, so you have to take a gamble on one with Thabeet? Well, it is nearly impossible to get superstars, so maybe you have to take a gamble on one with Rubio. One bad season for a young player does not necessarily negate all hope of him becoming a star. Another great passing/defending point guard in Rondo sure didn’t look like a star when he was 20. Steve Nash sure didn’t look like a star when he was a young player in the league. Rubio might be hit or miss, whereas Lowry has already made his mark as a good, solid player. But if Morey thinks a hit by Rubio has the possibility of being an absolute home run, he might be willing to take the gamble.
Morey wouldn't trade Lowry for Rubio. Rubio has as much of a chance of becoming a superstar as Williams does but alas Williams was only worth a low first rounder.
