Martin to Morey: Treating us like assets gets you nowhere

I love Martin but if he wants to go then I'm perfectly fine trading him for picks.

 

And the Rockets would be in the cellar for years to come with a "hungry young coach" and a bunch of "picks".

Good luck with that strategy.

 

We've been in the cellar two years in a row. Locked out of the playoffs

 

Houston Wolves for several years?
Yeah, that's what the tankers wish, and it seems that will be done.

 

I get what you are saying, but playing in the best division in the best conference we came out with the 14th best record out of 30 teams.

Not even taking in consideration our injuries and constant roster flux, I would hardly consider that the "cellar" of the nba.

 

If we can't attract a Star player here via FA (Bosh) and we can't trade for one because they don't want to be here (Melo) that only leave us with one choice.

Drafting one, and you don't draft star players with late lotto picks. Morale victory for being a good lotto team? Give me the cellar and Morey making our Picks. OKC was in the Cellar and now look.

I'm not for tanking but we need to play the young guys and trade away what we can to build a future.

 

Going into this season, further more as it developed, players knew their team was lacking in a few positions. I understand their worries of team cohesion and new personnel, however it should have been known this was NOT the team that championships can be won with. I understand where they're coming from, but it's about TEAM first. I also believe GM is doing good with what he was dealt. Now to pry a superstar from a team's grasp..

 

No, not the cellar. Despite injuries to key players, this team almost made the playoffs the last two years. Because of Adelman.

Without Adelman, welcome to the world of being lucky to win 20 games a season. That's the cellar.

And it's a huge hole to try to dig out from with a lame coach and "picks".

 

So failing on our first few attempts means these options of acquiring star players have 0% chance of paying off in the future?

I will never understand why some people are willing to lose on purpose to only have a very small chance of acquiring a player who even if turned out to be great probably couldn't deliver a title for AT LEAST 5-7 years AFTER we have "successfully" tanked and lucked in the lotto to get the right pick AND lucked into taking the right guy who happens to pan out to being a superstar. Then have to redo what we have already done and attract the right pieces to put around our star to finally lead us to a championship.

Realistically we have probably equal or better odds of staying the course morey has led us on and continue playing what some consider "mediocre" basketball, acquiring young talented pieces on good contracts and patiently wait for that right deal to come along.

I just don't see any proof that the lotto, specifically top 5 lotto picks, give you any more of a shot of winning a championship than the current method we have been using for all of 1 or 2 years now. You need lots of things to happen to win it all. Losing to get a top lotto pick CAN be one of those things, but definitely doesn't HAVE to be.

 

bump. I think this is a very applicable thread to bring up given the firing of Adelman. there's something that can be said, but not quantified, about team stability and chemistry. It would be very simple minded to conclude that Morey's statistician ways blinds him from placing importance to this concept, but I do feel that Martin's quote holds some resonance. It's a very superficial thing to say, but the nba isn't nba 2k11 where each player is just a number and managing personalities, egos, and off-the court lives goes out the window. Obviously, none of us here have played in the NBA, but all of us have worked and had a boss or an even better comparison played on a sports team and had a coach. Can you imagine if you constantly saw your co-workers/teammates go in and out of the company/team like a revolving door? It certainly would be highly disconcerting. The persistent thought that you could be next, that your boss could flip you just like that shows that, even if not true, he/she has little faith in you. The constant looking over the shoulder effect can wear down on both one's psyche and the collection of psyche's within a team. It's easy to forget that these players have lives outside the NBA and are human beings just like the rest of us, but they're really no different and these basic psychological phenomenons affect them. Most of the team wanted to keep Adelman, they loved him, and played their hearts out and ultimately overachieved for him. Getting rid of their general in Rick Adelman could very well lower the collective morale of the group and hurt their performance in the future. And what does this say about Rockets management? There's already speculation that mgmt's treatment of players is not the best even though it's probably the best and most practical financial move for the team; how will that affect the attractiveness of Houston as a destination for other players? That's a very important question to ask.

 

he was supposed to be accumilating those "assets" / picks for a star player. What he doesn't understand is no body wants his trash. Nobody wants to a disrespectful unstable organization either. Everything is up in the air.

 

http://www.nbadraft.net/mcchesney007.html

 

First off the method does not have a zero % chance but it is based on the actions of others... Some Gms may decide they dont want to trade in conference no matter the package that Morey offers and some players wont come here regardless of the money we offer them. If we continue down the path you want then there is a good chance we dont find a star and our once valued assets ( because of potential) either lose thier value or become valued members of the team that we would be reluctant to trade.... the 1st scenario is more likely.

If we tank and get that high lottery pick alot of our problems are solved. We can either
A. top picks have incredibly high value... use it in a trade for a star
B. Have some faith in Morey's drafting ability and pick the right player


Most of the fear of tanking is that people think that we will be stuck in the lottery for years and years. That is not the case. Most of the time teams with the top picks have to start from scratch, and use multiple lottery picks to build their core... if they mess up on even one of them, then its setback. With the rockets we already have some decent players in Lowry and Patterson, Lee and a lot of young potential in Williams , Thabeet, Bud, and Hill. One or two shots is all we need. And we happen to have 2 first rounders in both the next drafts barring anything funky.

Morey has proven to be quite good at finding complementary pieces so i would not worry about having to surround the star. Finally one other reason we cant just continue down the collecting assets path is that despite how easy Morey has made it seem ... collecting young players with potential on cheap contracts is anything but easy...... the rockets made the right call for the franchise all that is left is to see what we can get for Scola and Martin