I think this is what you are saying in reference to the OU shirt. You said that in response to RunningJackass
Go back and watch game tapes of every game, also count each time a DB had a ball thrown at his hands and he dropped it. Thats why your ratio is bull****. The difference between 0:15 and 6:9 is like the difference between a 14.00 ERA and a 6.00 ERA AKA Both suck against good teams.
BTW, you still didn't answer the question. Consider the two scenarios. a) Quarterback hits receiver directly in the chest/hands. The receiver is open, and should catch the ball, but instead doesn't hold on, the ball is popped up, and the defender intercepts it. b) Quarterback locks on to one receiver. He stares him down, doesn't see the safety behind the play, and drills the pass straight to the safety. Can you tell me why we should consider interception A in the same light as interception B? The only thing "whacked" about that is that it presents the opportunity that you might be wrong about a player. *gasp*
A is tough luck. And an INT credited to the QB in any kind of football we play in. Now please answer why the bull**** statistics you make up are true without considering: "Go back and watch game tapes of every game, also count each time a DB had a ball thrown at his hands and he dropped it. Thats why your ratio is bull****."
And a 6.00 ERA against some of the best hitting offenses of all-time isn't necessarily bad. Dude, your argument is a ****ing joke. I have watched tapes of those games, and there has not been one time where a DB has dropped a ball thrown at his hands. For it to be bull****, you have to actually have evidence (tell me an example, specific play, time) to support your point. There hasn't been one, and yes, I would count that in the ratio.
Regardless, a 6:9 ratio still sucks, and doesn't cut it for a program like UT who has national title aspirations. I don't even know what you are trying to argue Cat. That Simms sucks, just not as bad as we all think?
No, that the 0-14 figure is not valid. A player is good or bad based on all his games, not just ranked teams, top 15, or top 10. But, if you're going to cling to this figure against top 10 teams, at least get it right. Also, having a ratio of 2 TD to 3 INT against some of the best defenses of all-time is not necessarily a bad thing. Is it great? No. But to suggest that after three games that the said ratio (against good defenses) means a player sucks and forever will suck is totally ridiculous.
BTW, 6.00 ERA still sucks the best players dont choke. And he's obviously not one of the best QBs in college football. He can throw for 500 yards 10 TDs against St. Mary's Blind and Disabled, I dont care. He can't come up big in the games that he needs to come up big in. Even if he is average, that is NOT ENOUGH. 6:9 isn't average. I won't believe your word on the no DBs dropped INTs. You probably never even looked for it.
You think I give a ****? You, and every other Simms-hater, wouldn't believe it if it was right in front of your face. I remember how valuable your word was... "the yankees are going to kill the angels"... "the jaguars have two guaranteed wins over the texans"... blah blah blah. I've seriously become convinced (and I'm not joking) that some of the UT fans, including some in this thread, would prefer UT to lose in a big game so they can slam Simms instead of winning. You're right, 6-9 against some of the best defenses ever in college football isn't average. It's well above average. Also, Kansas State with their top 5 defense isn't exactly the Blind and Disabled.
No, it wasn't. It's the only really bad game he's had at Texas. It sucks, but it happens to everyone... Favre threw 6 INT's in one playoff game. Also, if you're going to count that game, you should also count the game against that same CU defense a month earlier where Simms lit them up for 250 yards, 3 TD's, and 0 INT's.
Its funny how that blah blah blah is relatively nothing relevant to the conversation, isn't it? I also don't remember Colorado or Oregon having that great of defenses. I never called K State Blind and Disabled. And its not like he did amazingly great in that game either. He just did better than his usual failing ways. He didn't lose it. He's more of a Trent Dilfer QB.
Cat, It's admirable to see you stand up for Simms like this, but what would it take for you to admit that he isn't any good? That he is a bust in the NFL or something else or will you never admit that?
The game that didn't have as big of a stage (national audience) with a direct ticket to the Rose Bowl at stake?
Umm, yes it is relevant. You're trying to slam my credibility by questioning my objectivity in watching the tapes. The point of what I mentioned was to show that your word isn't exactly the peak of objectivity either. Also, let me share with you a little secret about that Oregon game, since you self-admittedly didn't remember it. After that game, Texas fans (online, in person, etc.) were esctatic about Simms. People recognized the drops, and the two bull**** interceptions, and discussed it all offseason as a huge positive for the next season. In fact, it was that game that made the coaching staff completely abandon Major Applewhite, and go to Simms alone. It wasn't until the bashing started the next season that people decided to spin the numbers a different way, when in actuality they are a terrible reflection of how he played in that game. Also, Texas A&M the last two years had an above average defense, as well as ISU this season, North Carolina last season, etc. There's plenty of examples.
No, the game where almost every national analyst picked Texas to lose, and the game where a win put them in the BCS picture and in the national title chase, and a loss put them looking at the Alamo Bowl and a failed season.
Well, if he's a bust in the NFL (and I'm pretty sure he won't be, if anyone wants to make a bet), it will mean he failed as an NFL quarterback, not as a college quarterback. Considering what I have seen from the guy in his four years at Texas, there is virtually no chance for me to admit that he isn't a good college quarterback. I mean, maybe I will rethink it if he goes out and throws 5 interceptions a game the rest of the way, but that is what it would take. He won 10 games in a season, more than any UT quarterback in my life. He's thrown the most touchdown passes in Texas history. He's been a terrific leader on the field. He's been a great representative of the University to future recruits. He's a class act, and always played well even when the fans were against him and when he was on the bench in his sophomore year. I love Texas football more than anything, and by far Chris has been the best quarterback I've seen in my lifetime for the University. He's been a winner, he's a class act, and under his tenure at QB this program has gone to places it hasn't been in decades. So, manny, I'm pretty damn sure I'll always think of him as a good quarterback.
