Martin to Morey: Treating us like assets gets you nowhere

I think part of what Martin is saying is, don't make minor trades; keep the continuity except for trades that will really make a difference. The Battier trade probably doesn't excite the players.

ATST, Martin should give DM credit for re-signing FAs, even at seemingly high prices.

 

Until we get a superstar no one is untouchable.

Sorry if that makes it hard for these millionaires to concentrate on doing their jobs.

Cry me a river Martin.

Stability is fine if you have something worth preserving. Right now we are a lottery team.

 

well, if you are a great player, then morey is not going to consider you an "asset."

shouldn't that motivate players MORE when GMs say those things publicly? shouldn't you want to prove that you're merely not just an asset, but a DAMN GOOD PIECE to the puzzle?

 

tell that to morey. he wants star talent brother. he'll trade all these "assets" right now for a 2-knee tracy mcgrady with low motivation in a heartbeat.

 

Totally disagree. DM wants somebody that will change the game, and I seriously doubt he'd be bothered by a player that wasn't a 'star," as long as he could bring it.

 

Can you give an example of the type of player you're talking about?

 

for the mcgrady reference, i was referring to when he was a "star." morey knows stars wins games. and he would gladly trade these "assets" as kmart called himself with little hesitation.

 

I will agree completelly with Martin here.

Saying "everyone is expendable" is no good, not for the players, and not for the club, cause other teams will look at our players as "expendables".
You sell high on a player usually when he is marked as non-tradeable.
And of course, Morey is full of blah lately, there is no point in a full year shouting that everyone can be a trade asset if you are only going to do minor trades.

I think he played his cards not so well, you can also keep a good atmosphere on a team by saying that no one would be traded, and if a good deal knocks your door, you can let go a few players, because if the deal is soo good, no one will judge you as a traitor, even when a team says no one will be traded it is also known that the NBA is a business and that statement is never 100% true.

 

always aim high. it doesn't mean that it will always pan out b/c only one team wins a championship every year. you put your team in a better position to win if you have a star to guide the way. morey knows that.

 

There is a thing called being too good. In a way, Morey is too good at managing assets and making bargain deals. I think that is a major reason why the media love to follow his trading intents. It also doesn't help with his high profile with the analytics community which is a sexy thing right now. That's why the Rockets were the most rumored team when the deadline approached.

Sometimes I have a feeling that Morey is having too much fun at it and he can't stop himself from talking when the media ask.

 

Arguably, Kyle Lowry.

When I say "arguably," it's only due to degree.

I'm talking about a player that DM sees is going to be huge, though other people don't yet see it. Such a player is not a "Star." In the case of KL, DM traded our starting PG for him. He saw something that others didn't. So, I would say DM traded for a star, but not a "Star." Except that KL isn't quite to the level that we're talking about; at least not yet.

Oh, and my apologies to t_mac1 if I misunderstood him.

 

Hey, maybe Carl Herrera beat me to the point.

I think another example would be Rajon Rondo, before he hit his stride - I think between his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Now, he is a Star. Kind of.

 

A lot of his stardom comes from the fact that he plays with a team of finishers.

Granted, he has the best court vision behind Steve Nash and he has the assists to show for it (but like I said having finishers like Garnett, Allen and Pierce helps a lot), but his offensive game is absolutely terrible. Rondo's lack of offense makes him the weakest link.

Lowry is completely different to Rondo in the sense that Lowry has no weakness to the game, something that stars possess (a lack of weakness that is). When Lowry was a liability at the perimeter, he worked his way to become one of the better 3 point shooters on this team.

I'm sure if given the chance, the Celtics will gladly trade Rondo for Lowry.

 

I don't think what Morey is doing is any different from what other teams do in the same spot. Once we get a team with a more stable core (solid #1 option, maybe a solid #2 and the right role players), if this ever happens in the near future, players probably won't have to worry about trades.

You make the Battier and Aaron Brooks trades 10 times out of 10. Those weren't bad trades. Battier was a vet that was probably looking to move on next season, as nice as it would've been to keep him, he was going to go ring chase. Brooks was going to be a free agent and at the very least would want MLE money and the chance to start on a team. A team would give that to him, and with Lowry having a breakout year it probably wasn't going to be us.

 

not sure if serious. rondo CAN score. did you not see what he did vs the bulls in the playoffs a few years ago (yes that epic first round series) when KG was out and pierce and ray allen were struggling. the guy can score if he wants to. he can get to the hole at will.

his problem offensively is that playing with other great players really hasn't motivated him to improve his jumpshot. he really just does things that his team needs: which are passing and defense. if he dominates at those, the celtics benefit. that's not a very good mindset.

not sure if you are serious either. 09-10 aaron brooks says hi.

 

We DO have something worth preserving. A team that is top 5 in points scored, and top 5 in assists. A great offense and some young guns like Pat, Lee and Bud who will break out next season. A head coach who is eighth in most wins in NBA whom players attest to. We have chemistry that led this team to a 17-8 record after the All-Star break.

We have a mediocre record but we have something special here. We just need to build on it. Bring in a legit, shot-blocking big man and I guarantee you we'd be something special. We may not have a superstar but do we need one with the scoring we have here? No. The problem is purely defense. The offense Adelman has them playing is spectacular. People say Kevin is not a superstar cuz he "folds" in the clutch. He scores like a SUPERSTAR, he's pretty darn efficient, and he does it within the effing system. He is 9th in the league in scoring. He's like 3rd in three pointers made this season and is like top five in free throws made. To me he is at the least a star in his own right. F*** what everyone says.

Daryl Morey's job is to make this team better. Is he really making this team better when he's talking about how no one is untouchable, everyone's available at the right price? Absolutely not. Players get antsy and anxious. No FA would want to come to a place where the organization treats players like that. DM has an obligation to the public to tell the truth but the good of the team comes first.

I love Morey but I am seriously in doubt about the org since hearing about Adelman's situation. They brought in players Adelman is familiar with, are playing the system well and all of a sudden we are making a U-turn getting rid of him? At least get the man a godda** center.

 

Rocket's are a lottery team because an HORRIBLE start.....

Remember how well the Rockets played after the trade deadline? IMO, the main upgrade was getting rid of a ballhog & chemistry killer like Brooks.

The team played so well, at the end several games were lost without Scola & Lowry, because they were preserved after there were no chances to get to Playoffs.

But hey, if you keep making minor trades over and over, just to 'add assets', you'll keep the team in mediocrity.

This CURRENT roster and coaching staff are pretty good. Most players have the Adelman's system learned. Chemistry is at its best.

At this point, only a Defensive C and a Superstar matters. And only trades bringing one of the 2, should be allowed. No more assets please, in NBA, is unrealistic to give important PT to more than 8 players.

Having too many 'assets' will hurt motivation of young guys not having PT, and will hurt the team.

So, get rid of as many assets as needed, until you get a Defensive C, and if possible, a superstar.