Hmm. I have mixed emotions about Collier. He definately should have a chance to prove himself, and if his back is really hurtin, then I think we can excuse his play in the summer leagues. I just think that he hasnt found his groove yet. As far as the exception, I just hope we use it. ------------------ treasurer of the moochie norris fan club
Hmm. I have mixed emotions about Collier. He definately should have a chance to prove himself, and if his back is really hurtin, then I think we can excuse his play in the summer leagues. I just think that he hasnt found his groove yet. As far as the exception, I just hope we use it. ------------------ treasurer of the moochie norris fan club
How did Collier hurt his back and how long is it suppose to take to mend? Hurt back or not I think Collier is one of the kind of people who slow but steadly improves. I hope he turns out to be a good strong steady role player and we won't know that till his 3rd or 4th year.His salary not going to hurt us so much(like Cato or Walt) If we get rid of him too soon we will probably regret it later on! ------------------ One minute ago you had 60 seconds longer to live then you have now. Did you enjoy the 60 seconds you just had?
Just how is Bryce Drew a dud? He's played solid ball most of the time, but he hasn't been given the chance to develop. He's been stuck behind Mobley, Shandon, Steve and Moochie over the course of the last couple of years. They're not trading him because he's a dud (he's not). They're trading him because the Rockets have ample players in the backcourt, and they could use draft picks and/or help up front. Also, the trade will be good for Bryce, because he will get better minutes with another team, and that will allow him to develop. If you consider Collier to be the kind of dud that Drew is, then I'll be more than happy to see our newest dud play this upcoming season. ------------------
BobbyWarren A good player gets playing time by producing. I am sorry to bust your bubble but Drew could not even hold down the back-up point guard position. He is now the third string point guard. ------------------ There's no 'I' in the word team, but there's three of them in Isaiah Rider.
Dream34, That had more to do with the emergence of Moochie than the decline of Drew. Moochie was a much better break-the-defense-down type of guy. Drew served as a much improved Maloney for the old post-it-and-kick-it-out offense we used to run. He is definitely not a dud, just not as suited to our needs than he was when drafted. ------------------
If the Rockets hadn't pulled off the Francis trade, Drew would probably be starting by now. There's no way on this earth that he should be considered a dud. When he gets the playing time, he produces. I do think he has shown that he can't really produce in limited minutes. That's why he hasn't looked good at times. The reason the Rockets are going to trade him is because he will never get enough minutes to produce like he's capable of producing. If Drew gets traded to a team that can give him some playing time, some people on this board will probably come back and ask why the Rockets were dumb enough to trade him away. The reason will be that he will never get the playing time on the Rockets that he needs in order to be successful. I think Rudy still likes the kid, but realizes that he can't excel in limited minutes. Some guys are good spark plugs, while some are better over the course of 30+ minutes. Drew is the later. And by the way, I think Collier might be very similar in some respects. He didn't get a chance to produce in the RMR. Some players are suited to making an impact at any time, others have to work their way to that point. Langhi and Mobley seem to be "anytime" guys. Drew and Collier seem to be "work up to it" guys. ------------------ [This message has been edited by TraJ (edited July 31, 2000).]
OT: What are you talking about? What exactly do you think open discussion is? No matter how informed a particular person is, they're still susceptible to making mistakes... like not drafting Rashard Lewis. I wasn't the only person who happened to think that would have been a good idea. It turns out, it should have been done. Does that mean that Rudy is a bad coach? No. I think he is probably in the top 1/3 of coaches in the league. That doesn't mean I don't have a right to criticize decisions. I'm a political science major, but that doesn't mean that my younger sister who's still in high school can't argue with me about who should be President. Don't resort to AD HOMINEMS. Observe the merits of the actual arguments. If you can dismiss my complains universally, then I'm probably a poor judge of talent. If you can't, then no ammount of "Rudy knows best" is going to matter. ------------------
I see where you guys are coming from. Maybe dud is to harsh a word to describe Drew. The Rockets have not gotten rid of Drew yet so you guys are still trying boost up his trade value. Just in case any GM's are reading this post. No but seriously. I see your point regarding the issue of playing time. My personal opinion is that we still made a mistake drafting Drew. His claim to fame was that one shot in the NCAA tournment. He still has not proven to me that he has the skills to be a starter in the NBA (play offense and defense). He could not play defense his rookie year and he still can't play defense to date. He becomes an instant mismatch for the other team. To his credit he is a coachable, and has a good outside shot. I think Drew is a great person (well so was Brent Price for that matter). He is one of the hardest workers on the Rockets. But as you guys have stated he does not fit in. I still believe if we trade him before the season starts the most we can get for his is a second round pick. If he is as good as you guys state than the Rockets should at least be able get his equivalent mid 1st round draft pick. ------------------ There's no 'I' in the word team, but there's three of them in Isaiah Rider. [This message has been edited by Dream34 (edited July 31, 2000).]
haven: that has got to be one of the best...no damn that...the best post that i have ever read. some people have rudy's bottle rocket so far in their mouths that they do not dare to think for themselves. i don't know if its a lack of self-confidence or ignorance or blind faith or some combination, but to me it's sickening. hey! rudy can, and has been wrong. it doesn't make him the devil. but some of you make him out to be the messiah! ------------------ miles ahead of the rest [This message has been edited by verse (edited July 31, 2000).]
Hey Verse, That was a sickening analogy.------------------ [This message has been edited by Moe (edited July 31, 2000).]
