What is Kevin's trade value and would you even deal him?

Put down the crack pipe brother... Beasley hasn't been anymore productive this year, than in the past... his usage is just higher..... Beasley is a poor defender, he does not have a position, does not rebound, pass or shoot well and is a liability against larger players.... his value is fairly low.

 

HUGE difference between Martin and Brooks.

Martin plays within the offense, sets up teammates, scores consistently in every game.

Brooks is a one-man team and scores inconsistently.

Not even close.

 

Here is the problem I have with trading either scola or Martin: their production far exceeds their salary. 2 guards that put up 23 ppg are near max players, so to land a star who would probably give you similar numbers (i.e. Joe Johnson, who actually makes about $10m more and scores 5ppg les), you would have to trade another significant filler(s) to match salaries such as a combo of chase and lee or Hayes and scola. Doesn't sound so appealing now. Keven Martin isn't a max player but he us "untouchable" because you can't get fair value. Meaning there is no other NBA player that gives you max numbers at half the salary.

Same with scola. 18/9 at PF in this league commands at least $15m. Scola does it for half that. So you can get an 18/9 guy who makes more than scola, but you gotta add another starter or two to equal that guys salary. Or you can trade scola straight up for another PF making $8m who probably will give you 7/6. What have you accomplished?

 

Agree with Martin but not Scola. Patterson could easily put up those numbers after he's been the starter for a while and he'd give you defense, so that's the main reason I would shop Scola. If Scola can net you a strong upgrade at the 3, even at unequal value, you make the trade.

 

I'm not saying scola can't be replaced, because you can find 18/9 guys. And yes, after a while Patterson will give you 18/9. He just won't do it for $8M. It's like you buy a 7,000 sq ft house for $130k. Do you sell it for $140k to buy another $140k house that's probably more like 2,300sq ft just because you are tired of the other house?

 

You almost never get even value for all-star players (or at least he has produced all-star numbers) in trades. so, you know almost for sure that you will more than likely be getting picks and a decent role player and some fill-in scrubs to make slaries match. But this would be about picks. It would also need to be with a team that is on the fringe of breaking through and want a proven scorer. So you look at contending teams and one that comes to mine is Boston. Ray Allen is not getting any younger and his contract is almost up. They would definitely appreciate Martin's talents. What would they be willing to offer in return? They have nothing....more picks?? I think this is where the problem lies...there are probably no willing trading partners to deal with therbye making his value at about the level of a Louol Deng.

 

I guess you just value Scola more than I do. I don't consider his contract nearly as much of a steal as, say, Lowry's. I think whatever value you lose by trading him you will more than make up for by opening up minutes for Patterson, that's all.

And Patterson btw is going to be a huge value contract by the end of next season probably and by that time when he's ready to start, Scola's value will have inevitably gone down. Your argument would be correct if Patterson was in the last year of his contract or something but he isn't. Also we aren't really in a win now mode, we should be looking at the next few years, not just next year.

 

I see your point to a certain perspective, but 1 dimensional player like martin shouldnt make anymore than what they do. Need an example? Micheal Redd.

Martin is a good player, but is he a better player than Iggy or Granger? Iggy is a better player who have more impact on winning and granger is about the same but a better defender and rebounder.

In terms of scola, he's on par with Milsap who makes the same money and he's younger and a better defender. Personally, I really like scola, but his salary and the guy behind him should make him trade bait if the rockets want a chance at Howard and williams.

Point being, I dont care who the rockets have or what they do offensively, when 3 out of the 5 starters cant defend their position, one guy is above average,but 6'6, and the other is now average playing pg, they will always be a poor defensive team. The rockets need more balance in the starting lineup defensively like yesterday.

 

Point is they have to do something. Right? Someone needs to be moved because Scola, Martin, and Budinger cant play in the same lineup together to have a good defense. You Know Budinger wont get you anything in return. So that leaves Martin or Scola. One of these atrocious defenders has got to go to make room for a good defender. Scola has the best guy behind him to replace him who also plays defense. Thats Patterson.

That means Scola has to go. In some trade and perhaps you even get rid of Budinger like some of you want to do. Scola and Budinger ina trade for a SF who is a solid starter better than Scola was at the Powerforward position.

That would mean lineup like this.

Hayes/Miller
Patterson/Hayes/Hill
insert better than Scola like production here/Lee
Martin/Courtney Lee
Lowry/Dragic

So its either gonna be Scola or gonna be Martin. This is not the team you are seriously gonna role with just because you like everyone and dont want to get rid of anyone. So start making choices alot easier so your team can get better.

 

Unless Moreys draft pick is extremely lucky.

 

I would keep try to keep Martin as I don't think he is valued more by other teams as he is with the Rockets. If the Rockets trade Scola and get a full-sized center (not necessarily same deal), the Rockets would be able to slide Chuck to PF, strengthen two positions defensively, and allow the Rockets to use a three man rotation at the PF and C positions. No more Miller and Hill only in emergencies.

 

^-- my dream scenario is with us getting Bargnani if trading Scola and pairing him with Hayes...

 

I would make a really hard push for Kaman using scola,miller, and filler. If the rockets are going to be in the 2012 sweepstakes, they need to dump milller and his contract.

Like I said, I wouldnt actively try to trade miller, but i would probably do a straight up Martin for Granger deal if offered. Those 2 extra ppg doesnt really warant more compensation especially since granger is a far better rebounder and defender.

Lowry
Lee
Granger
Patterson
Kaman

would be a better defensive team and equal offensive team to the one they have now. I would like to get Jason Thompson as a 4 to play with Kaman and bring Patterson off the bench. In 2012 offseason, Howard and williams can look at lee,granger,and thompson as young, but ripe enough to win now and 4 yrs from now.

 

Beasley is like 1 1/4 " taller than Martin at best. If we get a post threat that's taller than 6'9" this summer you can watch Martin's already surreal efficiency explode to unreal.

 

No way would I deal K-Mart.

 

PATRICK PATTERSON 20-10

 

BTW, Scola would be 21+ 10+ in ANY team not so overpopulated in the PF spot.

When he has had the opportunity to have more mpg, he has showed that he can consisteantly get good numbers. People forget his current numbers are made in less minutes.

 

Leeb you are way off base on this post. Winning a basketball game is big picture more than the little details. It doesn't matter if your player can only do one thing if he does it extremely well. Say you have a guy who can't score and can't defend but he can rebound better than 3 guys put together. You'll still end up winning games because he'll get like 36 rebounds a game. Its the same thing with KM.

Labeling him as just a scorer like Michael Redd is an insult to KM because Redd doesn't score on TS 60%. That's just like saying Steve Novak and Ray Allen are just catch and shoot players, and as such shouldn't make more than 3M a year.

In KM's case, I think he's about on par with Iggy or Granger. Yes, Iggy is a better all around player, and Granger has the ability to get his shot off with opponent in his grill, but both of them can't score 30 pts on 60% TS like Martin does. I know you're not a stats fan, but its a lot like when Ray Allen goes off and shoots 5 three pointers in 7 attempts; KM does that almost every game, except he does it in the course of 45 minutes instead of a 4 minute burst.

 

if he's not traded, Rox should get a better SF that could pair with K-Mart...and a legit Center that could start for us...and we're set.

 

Actually a Michael Redd/Kevin Martin comparison is pretty spot on. Before Redd had his injury issues, their numbers were pretty darn close. If you want to look at TS% then Redd wasn't far off Kevin's pace and his FTA and FTM aren't that far off either.