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Just when you thought race wouldn't be an issue...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Refman, Oct 25, 2002.

  1. Refman

    Refman Member

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    ...this happens. It's really unfotunate because the two men had been having a really good contest.

    http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66648,00.html

    DALLAS — Following up on accusations that his opponent was trying to use his race against him, Texas Democratic Senate candidate Ron Kirk, an African-American, brought the issue of race to the stage during his Wednesday night debate with white Republican candidate John Cornyn.

    The only black candidate in the country with a real shot at winning a Senate seat, Kirk, a former Dallas mayor, stood up for affirmative action on college campuses.

    "Race should be one of many criteria that any college or university can look at in building an ethnically strong and diverse talent pool," Kirk said.

    Cornyn, Texas' attorney general, disagreed -- saying no group deserves special treatment over another.

    "Affirmative action was never meant to be a permanent solution, it was mean to be a transition. I think even Martin Luther King Jr. was an advocate of transitional use of affirmative action," Cornyn said.

    "And ultimately it's unfair to have a system of set asides and quotas and preferences that treat people differently based on the color of their skin," he added.

    Cornyn has a statewide lead of about five points in the most recent polls.

    But it is Kirk who leads in the state's two largest cities, Dallas where he served and Houston with its large urban vote. Together, the two traditionally produce 40 percent of votes cast in Texas elections, and Democrats hope it will catapult Kirk to victory.

    He is working to boost the vote by an emphasis on domestic issues, including Social Security and prescription drugs.

    Cornyn, too, has focused largely on kitchen table topics, including education, jobs and health care, and the two rarely disagree on the war on terror.

    Cornyn expects the minority vote to go mostly to his opponent and harped on Kirk for attending a hip-hop summit attended by rappers.

    And Cornyn is not giving up trying to sway black voters to his brand of thinking.

    "I expect to do better than Republicans have traditionally done among Hispanics and I don't intend to write off the African-American vote," he said.

    At the Texas State Baptist Conference, Cornyn did not find the enthusiasm he hoped for from African-American voters. Still, a key event organizer acknowledged that Cornyn has the edge in this race because Texas has become increasingly conservative.

    "Texas is becoming more Republican and most Republicans vote white," said the Rev. F.N. Williams Sr., a minister at Antioch Missionary Baptist Church.

    Republicans agree that Texas is turning, though not against black voters, and they are pouring millions into an ad blitz painting Kirk as too liberal for Texas.

    Democrats, however, say Kirk is just right, and the moderate's record is being maligned by Republicans.

    "If a quarter of what John Cornyn says about me were true, my mommy would disown me, " Kirk said.

    Fox News' Carl Cameron contributed to this report.
     
  2. Oski2005

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    So Kirk's for affirmative action. You made it seem like he was playing the race card when all he did was take a pro stance on an issue many texans are against. Sounds more like Kirk's sticking to his beliefs and not trying to appease the conservative voters.
     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Yeah, I don't really see where anything out of the ordinary happened here. The two candidates just have differing views of whether or not race should be used as one of many factors when determining admission into colleges. That's a position that many hold and many disagree with-just like abortion, tax cuts, environmental policy, etc.

    Now, if you wanna go back to when one of Cornyn's aides said something along the lines that the Democratic candidates for Governor and Senate where like a racial quota, then yeah, that's pretty bad.

    As an aside to this specific topic, two things bug me about Cornyn, unrelated to issues. One, he's criticizing Kirk for accepting a full-time paycheck from the law firm he works at (and I work at) while running for office. meanwhile, as far as I know, Cornyn is still the Attorney General of the state of Texas and receiving a paycheck paid for by the citizens. Also, he's gone on and on about Kirk raising money outside of Texas when the two have raised nearly the same amount of money from outside the state (Cornyn-1.6 mil, Kirk-a little over 2 mil).

    I do like the commercial that starts "If I'd done a quarter of things that John Cornyn's accused me of, my mother would've disowned me by now". I once talked to his mother on the phone...really funny lady.
     
  4. mrpaige

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    I liked that one, too. It's my second favorite commercial of the election season (my favorite is the "Ron Chapman is Judge Softie" radio commercial in Dallas. But I like that one mostly because it's really stupid).
     
  5. HOOP-T

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    "The race card"

    Does that hold the same stature and power as the "Wild - Draw Four" in Uno?
     
  6. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Yes, but neither hold the same as the "Skip" in Phase 10.
     
  7. ESource

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    With less than two weeks to go and in Bush's home state, it's interesting that it's this close at this stage of the campaign.....:eek:
     
  8. HOOP-T

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    Thank you.....duly noted.

    I think I'll get a nice game of PC Uno started right now. :)
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    Did you hear Cornyn's response to the drug question the other night? I'm gonna start calling him George W. Cornyn. ;)
     
  10. El_Conquistador

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    The bottom line is that Cornyn's beliefs on the affirmative action issue reflect the majority of Texans beliefs on the topic.

    Perhaps that is way Cornyn has a comfortable lead in the polls.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    I wouldn't call 5 points comfortable. That's probably just outside the margain of error.
     
  12. Jeff

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    Yeah, I'm sure his view on affirmative action is why he has a 5 point lead in the polls where the margin for error is 4 points. :D

    Like others have said, this is an issue on which they disagree. Making more out of it than that is really overstating it. But, this IS politics, so spin it whichever way makes you feel good. :)
     
  13. Jeff

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    One other note on this...

    African Americans are traditionally under-represented in polling situations (as are Hispanics) because they are more likely to not participate in phone polls, to not have home telephones or to not be available during polling times.

    I had an interesting conversation with a pollster about this fact and he said that it is often hard to guage those communities in polls and hard to determine just how many will turn out to the polls.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

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    Good point on the margin of error. The lead is probably closer to 9 points instead of 5. :cool:

    I wasn't insinuating that is the only reason why Cornyn has a comfortable lead, but one of many.
     
  15. goophers

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    Yeah, remember that the polls originally had Gore winning Florida. See how bad pollsters can be?

    I never trust polls, especially if it's one of the Harris polls. I had a friend that worked for them, and his polling numbers were repeatedly way off from the reported statistics. Long story made short, it seemed really likely that the polls were 'tweaked' to favor someone. I think there's a lot more than a 4% margin of error on these.
     
  16. rimrocker

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    This from Slate.com's Kausfiles on Monday...

    Kf's Texas sources say it's wrong to write off Democratic Senate candidate Ron Kirk -- the unprecedented minority turnout he'd need to win just might happen (despite what you read in the Dallas Morning News). A bit of early-warning data: Yesterday was the first day of early voting in Hidalgo County, home to the sort of potential new voters Democrats are counting on. In 1998, 330 people in the county voted on the first day of early voting. Yesterday, 1,930 voted. ... Maybe Hidalgo's early voters were just so enthusiastic they all voted on the first day. Or maybe ABC and PBS were on to something when they featured the Texas contest.

    and Wednesday...

    Texas Early Warning, Cont.: They're already casting ballots in Texas. In the first three days of early voting, turnout in four largely Democratic counties (Hidalgo, Nueces, Jefferson and Travis) has more than doubled over that in the 1998 midterms (rising from 12,873 to 27,727). Three of these counties are heavily minority, I'm told, although in those three early turnout is only up 50%. ...Turnout is up in Republican areas too, but a heavier turnout in general favors Democrats.
     

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