I have a question regarding the Suns pick ? How does Suns making the playoffs / not making playoffs effect Rockets draft picks ?
IF the Suns make the playoffs then we get their pick which will be around 15-18 somewhere around there. IF they don't then we'll get the Magic's pick they got in the J/Rich-Gortat deal, which would probably be high to mid 20s.
If Suns make playoffs, Rockets get Sun's pick(18th pick and a 0.538 record minimum). The Grizzlies have the 18th pick and the 8th seed, currently. If Suns miss playoffs, Rockets get Orlando's pick(23rd pick), which is owned by the Suns. It's a drop in 5 picks in the bottom half of the 1st round. When you get that late in a weak draft, it is more about good scouting and drafting.
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No way the Phoenix pick would be at 15. The 8 seed in the east has that pick locked up. The range is more like 16-20. I'd guess if Phoenix makes playoff it would be the 17th pick. The range for the Magic pick is about 20-26. Most likely it stays at 24. So it's not a huge dropoff from the Phoenix pick to the Magic pick. Still it would be nice if Phoenix pulled it off. I don't expect Houston to run the table and slip into the playoffs, so I am secretly hoping Phoenix can win the game. It'd be nice to have Golden State catch us to give us the 11th pick, but that is very unlikely.
It is lottery protected for 7 years starting in 2013. I believe they owe another team a pick so the Rockets pick would have to be given after the prior obligation is fulfilled. If Memphis misses playoff all 7 years, the Rockets lose the pick.
This is not completely true. If the 76ers or the Knicks make a run, they can lower the draft pick of the West 8 seed up to the 17th or 16th pick. This is very likely in the Knicks case, since they do have Carmelo Anthony now and could start gelling at any time.
Who cares? They always do the opposite of whatI want anyways. I would rather them surprise me and have me react later.
Phoenix win or lose does not matter. PHX is not going to make the playoffs. Nash is half-Nash Frye is out. They are just not good enough to compete with talent they are going against for rest of the schedule. Winning percentage of road games of phx opponents: .546 (10 road games) They still got 8 games against top 4 teams of each conference... I don't them or UTAH has a bit chance to make it.... they just don't. Houston has better chances to make it than them... but even they are likely to miss out unless Memphis start losing to Clippers at home.
I don't understand threads like this. You make it sound as if the Rockets have a decision to make. Do you think Adelman is trying to decide if they should win or lose? How about Lowry? How about Courtney Lee? Not any of the coaches or players are trying to decide if they should win or lose, all they care about is winning. So, I really don't understand why you ask "what should the Rockets do?" Since no one associated with the Rockets is debating whether they should win or lose, your question doesn't even need to be asked. Losing the game may benefit the Rockets in the long run, but there are no decisions to be made by anyone associated with the Rockets.
It would not be either the 76ers or Knicks. It would have to be 3 teams, if the the Suns are to get the 8th seed. The Knicks, 76ers, and Suns would have to make a major run now, for the the Suns to get the 8th seed, the Grizzlies to drop, and the Knicks and 76ers to pass up the Suns. We are looking at superstars at that range. The talent difference is little. It's all about the scouting and talent evaluation. The draftboards are toss up after the lottery. Everybody's draft board is different. A Landry or Brooks type player could be rated 40th on other teams boards and 15th on the Rocket's board. They would draft that player, whether they are picking 16th or 18th. It's not a huge difference. It's unlikely all 3 teams make this run, for that to happen.
The way I understand it: 1) Future protection cannot be structured to be potentially unresolved beyond 6 years from the year of the trade. 2) Teams cannot make a trade that can potentially cause the team not to have a future 1st two consequitive years in a row. Houston owns Memphis's first conveyable 1st after Memphis fills its draft debt to Minnesota. The pick owed to Houston is top-14 protected through 2016, becomes a 2nd + $3 mil if unfilled by then. The Memphis 1st owed to Minnesota is protected top-14 in 2011, top-12 in 2012, top-10 in 2013, top-9 in 2014/2015, and cash thereafter. To put it another way, Memphis has to make protection twice between here and 2016 for Houston to get the 1st (although the Minnesota protection is not as strict as the Houston protection). Once Minnesota gets theirs. The Rockets is in line to get the next conveyable top-14 protected 1st (which is two years after Minnesota gets theirs due to rule 2). So, if Memphis makes the playoffs this year, then Houston has from 2013-2016 to have Memphis make the playoffs again to get the 1st. If Memphis doesn't but is above top-12 in 2012, then Houston has from 2014-2016 to have Memphis make the playoffs to get the 1st. If Memphis doesn't again but is above top-10 in 2013, then Houston has from 2015-2016 to have Memphis make the playoffs to get the 1st. If Memphis doesn't again but is above top-9 in 2014, then Memphis has to make the playoffs in 2016 for Houston to get the 1st. If Memphis haven't filled their draft debt to Minnesota by 2014, then Houston get 2nd + $3 mil.
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