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Ever watched yourself some Good ole' John Ford/Wayne?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Karlfranklin, Mar 10, 2011.

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  1. Karlfranklin

    Karlfranklin Member

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    How do you rate the following:

    Red river
    True grit
    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
    How the west was won
    The searchers
    Stagecoach
    Rio Bravo
    The informer
    The quiet man
    She wore a yellow ribbon
    Fort Apache
    How green was my valley

    Personally I watched the first four and found them fascinating. I will catch up with the left.
     
    #1 Karlfranklin, Mar 10, 2011
  2. Hayesfan

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    You skipped one of my favorites...

    The Cowboys :)
     
    #2 Hayesfan, Mar 10, 2011
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    I think the only John Wayne movie I consciously watched all of was the one where he was a football coach, cuz there was a kind of cool clip from it in a beer commercial from the mid 90s. And I might have seen his foot-too-tall Davy Crockett in the Frankie Avalon Alamo movie back in second grade. Not a great or even super good actor, but completely enjoyable.
     
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  4. HAYJON02

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    I don't mean to derail your conversation but Clint Eastwood was a superior cowboy.
     
    #4 HAYJON02, Mar 10, 2011
  5. Karlfranklin

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    Don't know about this one. Might dig it.
     
    #5 Karlfranklin, Mar 10, 2011
  6. aghast

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    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance & The Searchers are classics, 1 & 1a. Stagecoach is awesome, and pretty ribald for its time. Rio Bravo and El Dorado are the same movie, both campy fun. The True Grit remake is far superior to Wayne's original. And The Quiet Man has a great reputation, but I never got it. The rest were standard fare, or I haven't seen them.

    Wayne could act, but I could never separate the man from the persona (which required acting), especially since Wayne has the unfortunate distinction of making both a pro-McCarthyism movie (Big Jim McLain, where he beat the ---- out of commies as an HUAC detective) and a pro-Vietnam War movie (The Green Berets--it's hilarious to watch a bloated, sixty-something John Wayne stuff himself into a girdle and waddle around the bush as an exemplar of the vigor of American military might.)

    Wayne could act, but he wasn't much of a human being.
     
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  7. Karlfranklin

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    Well I certainly enjoyed watching quite a lot Eastwood including unforgiven, a perfect world, the Good bad ugly, and changeling etc. I found some of his early small works highly underrated, such as the beguiled and play mist for me. I did not like his dirty harry too much. Also some of his recent works are too PC to my taste.

    Nevertheless, John Wayne is more than just a cowboy. What fascinates me about him is his unselfishness, raw to the core and quintessential to human spirit.
     
    #7 Karlfranklin, Mar 10, 2011
  8. aghast

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    Wayne's best two movies, arguably, are great because they play against that type. Liberty Valance & The Searchers feature him as a
    back-shooting
    coward and a crazed, bloodthirsty racist.

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  9. Karlfranklin

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    That depends on how you see it. I mean in Liberty Valance he's obviously shooting the biggest villain in town, who looked like non-mexican white. I could be wrong, I confess.
     
    #9 Karlfranklin, Mar 11, 2011
  10. HAYJON02

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    Let me be more straightforward. John Wayne was kitchy.

    As Brando said it, a one note Johnny.
     
    #10 HAYJON02, Mar 11, 2011
  11. StupidMoniker

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    True Grit, Rio Bravo, and the Searchers are all excellent. Not surprisingly, all three have been remade (El Dorado was an acknowledged remake of Rio Bravo, and I would argue was superior to the original; The Missing with Tommy Lee Jones in the John Wayne role was an acknowledged remake of the Searchers).
     
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  12. FranchiseBlade

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    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence is one of the best movies ever. The Searchers is also pretty good. Stagecoach is ribald for it's time, and is a classic, but I never really cared that much for it, and found it boring.

    Others have already mentioned the Rio Bravo and El Dorado films. Most of the others are worth watching because of the scenery and the way John Ford films the scenery. It's pretty amazing to look at.
     
    #12 FranchiseBlade, Mar 11, 2011
  13. Karlfranklin

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    I concur. "Amazing" and "magnificent" can't describe the multiple spiritual layers of the movie.
     
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    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence and the original True Grit are two of my favorite movies of all time. The Searchers isn't as good today as I'm sure it was in the 1950's, but I know that it's an essential movie for students of film history. I've seen some of the others, but those are my favorites.

    "I like the old masters, by which I mean John Ford, John Ford and John Ford." - Orson Welles
     
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    this guy would shoot a big hole in clint eastwood.
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    #15 mylilpony, Mar 11, 2011
  16. Karlfranklin

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    How do you compare the original True Grit to the remake by Coen?

    John Ford's movies are just so "raw". He kept film making true to himself and not catering to the market. Call him real artist.
     
    #16 Karlfranklin, Mar 11, 2011
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    I love film, but I have a REALLY hard time watching older movies. They all seem over-acted and hokey to me, John Wayne movies included.
     
    #17 Lynus302, Mar 11, 2011
  18. rimrocker

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    When I was a kid I loved Hellfighters, The War Wagon, and Hatari.

    I watch The Alamo every March 2 or 6.

    I thought The Sons of Katie Elder was good.

    Best are Liberty and Searchers.

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    #18 rimrocker, Mar 11, 2011
  19. Karlfranklin

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    Show me what you watched and maybe I have a diagnosis for you.;)
     
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