"Making your teammates better" vs "Scoring more points"...?

Kmart's role is to score. Period

 

Very nice post, with very nice logic.

The dude digs it dude.

 

I'm just ecstatic this isn't about T.Williams...

Interesting points, good stuff.

 

All points arent created equal and we have been over this time and time again. Martin does what he is suppose to do, but he just doesnt have the same impact because of when he scores them. Reggie Miller made his teammates better and he was similar to martin. Why? In the 4th qt, he had another gear to which he came off picks and curls. Miller is also known to elevate his play in the 4th qt and the playoffs. We cant say the same for martin.
The comparison to mcgrady is so far off that its not worth going into a discussion about. Thats not a bad think and its not unfair, its just what it is. Martin would benefit from playing with a guy like mcgrady.

 

Thabeet is making all of our players so much better because he is taking ZERO shots every game, freeing up shots for other players.

 

You continuously prevent me from posting by stating, continuously, what I am thinking. Much props. Martin is an excellent third option on a championship team because he is efficient yet incapable of creating his own shot. On a mediocre team, fans think and suppose he could do that, but the reality is that they are mediocre because he is their best option and canNOT create against focused defenses in crucial times.

 

The primary difference between Martin and Miller is that Reggie could get his shots off in the crucial, defensive moments. Martin cannot. plain and simple, minus a primary offensive focus besides Martin.

 

Make everyone else better = make the team offense more efficient.

If you are the one who is the most efficient scorer, take as many shots as you want. That helps team offense.

Martin is by far the most efficient scorer on this Rockets team. He can take whatever shots he want as long as it's not in crunch time. Scola is the most efficient crunch time scorer on Rocket.

There is a difference between Martin and AB in terms of scoring more points. The problem with AB is he isn't that much efficient than everybody else and he takes a big load of shots. That doesn't necessarily helps the team offense that much.

 

When Martin has an off-night, we have Bud now to take the load off a bit.

 

Unbelievable how people have such a hard time comprehending a simple point. The OP and this thread has nothing, nada, zilch, to do with Martin's ability to create his own shot.

It is about how Martin's efficient scoring indirectly generates more opportunities for his teammates, as opposed to "directly" from a pass for an assist.

The OP was trying to explain this concept because normally it would go over most people's heads, since it is not as straight forward as- me pass ball->he shoot ball->ball go in->me create.

Unfortunately, OP, even your explanation has gone over most people's heads. Move along.

 

I get the teory, but the t-mac comparison is kind of unbased. Players like t-mac make their teamates better because they draw a lot of attention, a team double teaming a star wing player opens up another player being that the star player will get the ball to the right place to take advantage of this. Kevin martin plays in a different way...

 

Kevin Martin is an efficient scorer, this is true.

But any plus he has scoring is given right back by his ineptitude everywhere else. He may help the team score a few more points, but his presence causes us to give up more points also, so its a push. And he doesn't close, he's sometimes not even on the floor in crunch time.

His adjusted plus-minus has been in the negative every year of his career.

So no he doesn't make his teammates better directly or in-directly.

 

Meh is usually right, this time again. Five star thread with some one star responses.

 

If there were one side to the game i would agree, martin helps his team score points offensively. Him shooting more than others scores more points for the team because he scores in a highly efficient manner. I'm not r****ded, i get what you are saying.

But if you are a very poor defensive player, his offensive contributions are lessened. Not entirely negated, but lessened, to the point that his offensive gains aren't that spectacular. Still a positive but nothing spectacular. I Likewise don't see what about this is so complicated to you.

 

I know what you're trying to say, but when the game tightens, who can create a shot for those same teammates and make them better? If martin doesn't use the shots, its not like they're automatically going another place. He goes to the foul line alot and it doesnt count as a shot, but its a possession. So its still used as an act. When the game is in a different state late and in the playoffs, those extra possessions needs to be created.

 

A player's offense. He are not talking about a player's total impact. Just his offense.