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Kosovan Muslim 'shouted Islamic slogans' before shooting dead two U.S. airmen at FRA

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-shot-dead-2-US-airmen.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    Kosovan Muslim who 'shouted Islamic slogans' before shooting dead two U.S. airmen at Frankfurt airport was an employee


    Two American airmen were shot dead and another left fighting for his life today after a Kosovo Albanian gunman stormed their bus before opening fire at Germany’s busiest airport where he allegedly worked.
    Officials said the gunman, identified as Arid Uka, 21, shouted out 'Islamic slogans' before opening fire.
    He gunned down his first victim as the soldier stood in front of the vehicle at Terminal 2 before turning his weapon on the driver as he sat behind the wheel.

    A fourth man was lightly injured and both he and the gravely wounded man are now being treated at the city’s University Clinic Hospital.
    A German official told Fox News Channel that one airman was smoking a cigarette when the suspect pulled out a firearm and shot him.
    Another serviceman was gunned down as he returned a luggage trolley.
    The attacker, reportedly wielding a knife and a handgun, then boarded the bus and fired at the driver before being taken down by police, the official said.
    The suspect's uncle, 70-year-old Rexhep Uka, said Uka was born and raised in Germany and was a devout Muslim who worked at the airport.
    He said Uka's grandfather was a religious leader at a mosque in the village of Zhabar, near Mitrovica, Kosovo.

    Murat Uka, who identified himself as the alleged shooter's father, says the only thing he knew about his son was that he hadn't turned up at work on Wednesday.
    The Frankfurt airport refused to comment on whether the suspect worked there.
    The airport, continental Europe’s second biggest after Paris, is routinely used by American soldiers based in Germany for arrivals and departures.
    ABC News reported that when the gunman opened fire, he shouted 'Allah Akbar' which is Arabic for 'God is Great'.
    HOW KOSOVO HAS BECOME A FERTILE RECRUITING GROUND FOR AL QAEDA
    With a young Muslim population in the newly-independent state of Kosovo, al Qaeda sees it as a fertile recruitment ground.
    With an average age of under 30 it has one of the youngest populations in Europe and Muslims make up around 80 per cent of the population which stands at around two million.
    The independence of Kosovo was secured in 1999 after a Nato-led coalition bombed the country.
    Advancing U.S. troops at the time were greeted with flowers and cheers as the state secured its independence from Yugoslavia.
    The country declared independence in 2008 and it was recognised by the U.S. at ambassadorial level.
    However, former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic admitted that rebels were assisted by al Qaeda in their fight.
    He was said to have fired nine times before his gun jammed and he was taken down by police.
    City police spokesman Manfred Füllhardt said the bus load of airmen, from the Security Forces Team, had just arrived from Lakenheath base in England.
    They had boarded the bus to go to the American military base at Ramstein, a few dozen miles to the southwest of the Frankfurt Airport.
    There were thought to be around 15 U.S. personnel on the bus.
    They were on their way to support Overseas Contingency Operations.
    Mr Füllhardt said the suspect argued with some of the airmen before shooting one who was standing in the open door as well as the driver.
    It was confirmed that a body was found outside the bus and one on the bus.
    He was captured by a Hesse state police officer who was at the airport, which typically has heavy security.
    It has been beefed in recent months following warnings that Germany would be a terror target.
    Police arrested the Kosovo man yards from the bus with the automatic weapon he used. He was also armed with a knife.
    In Washington, President Obama said he was 'saddened and outraged' by the attack.
    'We will spare no effort in learning how this outrageous act took place and in working with German authorities to ensure that all of the perpetrators are brought to justice.
    'But this is a stark reminder of the extraordinary sacrifices that our men and women in uniform are making all around the world to keep us safe, and the dangers that they face all around the globe.'

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned the shooting and called it a 'terrible incident'.
    'We'll do everything possible to find out what happened,' she pledged. She said her sympathies were with the victims and their families.
    At the airport, taxi cab driver Salimi Seraidon said he was sitting at a stand about 200 yards away when the attack took place, and that it was over quickly as police rushed onto the scene.
    'We just heard the shots,' he said
    At least one round pierced the window of the bus that contained young American airmen, all of whom were dressed in civvies.
    Most of them required psychological counselling after the attack, according to German police.
    Flights around Europe continued to operate normally after the ambush as a massive security operation at the airport swung into operation.
    'Only time will tell if this terrible and shocking act has a terrorist background,' said Boris Rhein, interior minister of the state of Hesse who was supervising the police investigation.
    Armed police threw a cordon around part of the terminal and sniffer dogs were used to check if any bags bearing bombs had been left in the airport building.
    'We cannot exclude anything at the moment, ' said the minister, 'We will have to take a very close look at the perpetrator.'
    Police spokesman Jürgen Linker said; 'Everything happened inside the bus.'
    Eyewitnesses said the man 'infiltrated' himself among the GIs before shouting out radical Islamic slogans and then reaching into a bag for his gun.
    Kosovo Interior Minister Bajram Rexhepi said that the gunman had been identified as Arif Uka a Kosovo citizen from the northern town of Mitrovica. He had recently been living in Germany.
    'This is a devastating and a tragic event,' Rexhepi said.

    'We are trying to find out was this something that was organised or what was the nature of the attack.'
    Although the motives for the attack are still unclear, many Kosovans are Muslims, raising the suspicion that Islamic extremism may have been a factor behind the attack
    In the States, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Patrick Meehan, said in Washington that it looked like a terrorist attack.
    Investigators spend the afternoon carrying out a finger-tip search of the scene. The wheel of the bus where the driver had been sitting was swathed in sheets.
    Only last year the interior ministry in Berlin put Germany on high alert for a terror attack after receiving information that al-Qaeda was planning 'a bloodbath' because of German involvement in Afghanistan.
    The bus was a U.S. military model and thought to have come from the massive Ramstein air force base near Cologne in the west of Germany.
    The U.S. military base at Ramstein regularly runs shuttles to Frankfurt for commercial flights.
    American servicemen in Germany have long been considered vulnerable to a terrorist attack: three years ago Germans who converted to radical Islam were caught planning to explode huge car bombs at American bases and civilian sites used by military personnel.
    The worst previous attack on U.S. soldiers in Germany was in 1986, when a bomb was planted in a Berlin disco.
    Two soldiers died along with a Turkish woman, and 230 people were injured. The U.S. blamed Libya and bombed Tripoli and Benghazi.
    During the 1970s and 80s, the leftwing German terror group Red Army Faction repeatedly targeted US soldiers in Germany.
    There are believed to be around 40,000 military personnel stationed in Germany at up to 50 bases.

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    Investigation: Firemen attach blankets to the U.S. military bus where two American airmen were shot dead at Frankfurt Airport today
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    I fly through FRA a lot. This hits kind of closer to home. Sad to see that the results from the seed of Islamist hate are now also being seen in Germany.
     
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    Wasn't much of the 9/11 planning done in Hamburg?

    Sad, nonetheless.
     
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    Yes, there is a notorious mosque in Hamburg to which a lot of the 9/11 terrorists went.

    It's just that there haven't been any "big" Islamist terror attacks in Germany yet like the subway bombings in London and Madrid.
     
  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I'm glad they caught him alive. Death would have been an easy let-off IMO.

    Is it this easy to breach security? I'm surprised the dude was able to do this at such a (I thought) secure airport and on a US military bus? Just crazy.
     
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    Landside, there are no security checks. This could happen at any airport. If you have a gun and bring it from home, first time it will get noticed is when you try to go airside.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Not really the airport's fault then?

    What's gun control like in Germany?
     
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    Not the airport's fault. The hate preachers' fault. The ideology's fault?
     
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    Don't think so, but doesn't matter. You can't take ideology to jail. You can't put ideology on trial. You can't subject ideology to the law. You can't arrest ideology.

    On the other hand, I'm impressed that you're able to recognize someone's ideology from "Allah u Akbar". Did I miss something in the article that discussed his personal ideology, or are you just generalizing for ease of reference?
     
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    So because of that, it can't be at fault? What kind of faulty "logic" is that?

    You think that indicates that he was a buddhist? An atheist? A Rockets fan? A gardening enthusiast? Don't play stupid.

    And yes, there is some info that was in a German article by "Der Spiegel" that this guy had a facebook page in which his favorite quotation is a saying by Khalid bin Walid "May the eyes of the cowards never rest", and he is a fan of several Islamist/Jihadist websites, and he linked to an Islamist war song, and commented on one of his friends' walls "these f*ing kuffar" or something like that.

    Google translated version of article:

    http://translate.googleusercontent....&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhq-ySkxtZLndTFxA4YhYgGjeflKQ

    But no, of course we cannot assume anything about his ideology. He might be a Mormon.
     
  11. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    fyi, arabic speaking Christians say Allah u akbar. Don't you feel silly now?

    Also, not all Muslims share an ideology. When it comes to things like what this guy did, they don't even remotely share the same ideology.

    Religion is none of our business. Our business is to get people accountable and your style of bringing religion into the picture detracts from the accountability that this guy must face. I wouldn't even assign a portion of the blame to religion. I would assign all the blame in its entirety to this guy, and hold him personally accountable as an individual.

    If your interest is justice and generally improving people's lives, then assigning blame to ideology is a waste of time. You'll never eliminate Islam or force it into moderation or take it to court or send it to jail.

    If your interest is in finding multiple ways to assign blame to Islam, then feel free to discuss that, but I'm not really interested in having that discussion with you. It's bad enough that I'm participating in your hijack of this topic for your own self interest.
     
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    No, I don't. But I would if I were to write such nonsense as you in your last post.
     
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    Was überrascht...
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Ignorance = bliss
     
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    Your ignorance, yes. But you are not ignorant, you are just feigning it.

    By the way, the guy has confessed. Islamist motivation. Surprise.

    But just keep arguing your ridiculous "He shouted Allah u akbar, he might be a Christian, don't you feel silly now" stuff.
     
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    Oh I knew he was Muslim. But I didn't claim to know what ideology he follows based on Allah u akbar.
     
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    How many non-Muslims have you heard of, shooting people and screaming Allah u akbar at the same time. And having a Facebook page that glorifies Jihadist websites, talks of "Kuffar", etc. Please enlighten us. What point are you even trying to make? You are clutching at non-existent straws :confused:.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    The point I'm trying to make is evident from our exchange in this thread. Thanks.
     
  19. Al Calavicci

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    Are you?

    I see that you managed to find time during a close Rockets game to come on CF and troll Islam threads. Shocking, really
     
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    That's exactly what I was thinking of posting yesterday but I figured he wasn't a true Rockets fan so what's the point of going down that path.

    Repped.
     

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