Sticky a post called people for and against tanking. Then everyone can save space and vent at one place.
It wasn't right! If San Antonio hadn't lost and lost, they couldn't get Tim Duncan; If Cleveland hadn't lost and lost, they couldn't get Lebron James; If Orando hadn't lost and lost, they couldn't get D.Howard
Tanking to get an 11th pick is just stupid!! I rather make it to the playoffs every year then be in the lottery every year like the bobcats or the timberwolves. If we want an elite player we might have to trade or him.
Are you kidding me? The only teams there with winning tradition are the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls. The Lakers being the only team having been relevant since the start of the NBA. The Celtics were in rebuild mode for over 20 yrs before they got lucky and landed KG and Allen. The Bulls were awful from 1998 until about 3 years ago. The Knicks were awful from 1999 until yesterday and the Jazz have yet to build a champion and just moved 5 steps from one today. Point is, tanking is not what the Lakers, Celtics or Knicks did to land their stars. They are all big market teams with super stars begging to get traded to them. Jazz and Bulls did tank for several years to finally get a DRose and a DWill, but look at the Jazz now... they're back to step 1 and will be in tank mode again until they can find someone in the draft who will eventually cry and end up in Miami, NY or LA when he's a FA
Yes the Celtics did tank to get their players. They traded their draft picks to get Ray Allen, that is why Garnett came. In fact the Celtics were accused of tanking for Oden and Duncan during their down period. The Lakers have been lucky, grabbing Kobe in the draft a 8th pick I believe and he turned out to be an all time great. The Knicks couldn't tank because they traded away all of their future draft picks, they were in such a hole that tanking couldn't even be done. Which isn't the point, THE POINT is that those fans would not be happy about having one or two bad seasons like you want us to be.
I agree, tanking makes no sense. Bad draft and NO stars out there to be acquired. You only tank when there is an advantage to do so. Too many new fans here. Likely became fans because of the Championships, or afterwards. The pre Sampson and Hakeem days of the mid eighties were much worse than this. Because if they remembered, they wouldn't be advocating tanking and the many endless years of less than mediocre ball that follows. A defensive 5 would totally change the look of this team and light a fire under them now.
Listen to yourself, tanking now for a pick 4 picks lower than our current one? What's the point? Unless you have a top 5 pick in the draft, there's no one that will dramatically improve your roster and become a super star especially in a weak draft class like this one. Trying to move up in the draft and getting a top 3 pick by trading Scola or Martin is a totally different thing than tanking the season. Its not guaranteed that you'll land a top 3 pick by having the worst record in the NBA and even then, there's so many busts. Our best bet is to either start an entire season off with a bunch of 1-4 yr players on our roster or wait til after the draft order has been set and then trade our vets, picks, etc for a top 5 pick.
You should be a NBA scout since you know this will be a bad draft with none of the players playing any NBA games. Point is, all-star players come out of every draft. You can also trade these top picks FOR superstar players. I don't know why you anti-tank anti-rebuild guys just ignore that. Even with Williams being traded for Favors earlier today..
*sighs* We can't do that if we have the 14th-17th pick in the draft.Or it will be very hard to. Our best bet is to start rebuilding now to increase our lotto chances and prey that we get lucky and get higher than we should and then go from there.
What value to anti-tankers have with winning marginally more games(and still missing the playoffs) at the cost of 3-4 spots lower?
Well guess what, all those teams had over 10 years of bad years at one point and their fans dealt with it. We've been irrelevant for a season and a half, god forbid. And this year, many of us were excited that we would compete. All I'm saying is to be patient like those franchises were and we'll eventually find a way to get someone. Having to endure 1 bad season isn't the end of the world. We have an owner that wants to win and has the money to. Trust me, I'm frustrated as the next fan, but asking this team to tank at this point of the season is pointless. And I'm not saying for us to have 1 or 2 bad seasons, I'm saying we need to give it a year to see if we can land a star thru a trade whether its for a young star or for a top 5 pick in the draft. If anything, you're the one wanting 5+ years of bad seasons seeing how tanking takes at least 5 years before you can gather enough stars in the draft before you're relevant again.
Like someone mentioned you dont tank by losing on purpose. You tank by starting the rebuilding process. Trade away the assets and play the young guys. Yeah tanking wont help this year but it might take more than one off season to tank when you have this many good role players. While the draft is not great its better than waiting for a trade that might never happen. If you dont get a great player in the draft than you stay the course with the young players and hope to draft better the next year. You dont go all in on the draft for only one season. You do it until you find a gem in the draft. The chance of getting a superstar is a whole lot higher through draft than trading for one.
I do not want another Texans situation. It really pisses me off how the team continue to hover around .500 and say they are close to the playoffs. Its BS.
yes, tanking need effort. This is what to do with your hard working players: if you tank, you trade them for picks. If Wolves go for win-now mode, they could also trade their top picks for hard working players and win some like Rockets, but they know what they are doing. They wont do that kind of thing. "It is not even realistic for a team like the Rockets with capable players to win only 20 games." really? Is it realistic for a team like Rockets to be mediocre for 15 years and become irrelevant? tanking is the quick solution. wait and see and hoping all stars fall from the sky is easy, lazy and stupid.
Also last year everyone said "no tanking, weak draft class." Pfft, watch if a rumor came up about Cousins, Favors, or Wall that thread would explode. You're right, it's pointless to say we shoulda tanked to get Cousins or Blake Griffin. That's why I want them to start the rebuilding now, so we won't have to do this next year while watching Kyrie Irving tear up the league on the Utah Jazz. Also 5 years to get a new superstar is exaggerating. It sure didn't take the Rockets 5 years between Francis and Yao. Didn't take 5 years for the Jazz. If you know how to draft (Morey does...) then it doesn't take over 5 years.
Sampson was drafted because we sucked A@# Malone we got him because we traded "Two" future 1st round picks Hakeem was drafted because we still sucked A@$ Clyde only came to this team because we had a Tier 1 star Barkely only came to this team because we had a Tier 1 star Pippen was trying to ride on some coat tails.. Francis was the only legitimate player that wanted to come to Houston Yao we got so lucky in the draft that we got the #1 because we sucked T-mac came only because Yao.... I don't consider Francis a Tier 1 star even with his time here.. So basically our only shot at a tier 1 STAR is the DRAFT!!!! History shows there isn't a "Tier 1 star" that wants to come here because they were a free agent.. Prove me wrong please but it looks like Houston's only shot at a Tier 1 star / Megastar is in the draft.
15 years? We've been irrelevant for 15 months. Tanking is not the quick solution. It takes many years (at least 5 or 6) of being a 15 win/yr team, lots of luck, strong draft classes and great scouting. Only 3 teams get the top 3 picks and in order to compete with those teams, you have to be extremely awful. Once you get one of those picks, you have to pray the draft is strong and that you select the right guy.
You forgot about Elvin Hayes #1 Pick and we got him (San Diego Rockets) because we SUCKED again with a horrible record of 15-67 before we drafted the big guy..
Clyde, Barkley, Pippen were here cause of Dream. Francis was traded for, Yao was a miracle by God and Tmac was thru trade. Other than the drafts from the 80s, everyone else was obtained from trade or luck. Yao thru the draft was luck and not tanking.
