**Official McGrady/Pistons 2010 Regular Season Thread**

Pretty good first half for McGrady and he would be much more aggressive on Martin in the post. You can't switch Shane on him cause Prince would use it in a heartbeat

 

One post up play with Mac on Martin in the third, another 4th Q on the bench, another loss...

He needs to get out of that stupidity

 

Stagnant mismatch oriented offense... I like how Tracy played tonight, but he straight up does not work in a Princeton. Cancerous stuff aside, that is the key reason he was moved from the Rockets, and probably part of the reason for the Knicks as well.

Detroit needs to get better defensively If they want to play that way.

 

At this stage, Tracy is not good enough to demand 1-on-1 isolation play from his team. And not fitted well for a offense where he doesn't handle the ball 90% of the time.

Horrible place to be at.

 

Monroe didn't play in the fourth quarter?

Monroe for Budinger and a 1st!

 

Monroe sucks. He doesn't dunk and he misses all his layups. Lol. His offense has to be spoonfed to him.

 

He got moved cause he was hurt. Tmac bought the rockets excitement and was the best player when he was healthy.

 

He specifically asked the front office to trade him. Sure he was hurt, but the fact remains that he wasn't patient.

 

I know you were being sarcastic. I'm just adding on to the fact that he sucks.

 

so? didnt akeem asked to be traded once? i know kobe did, mj prolly did...well maybe not he had enough rings, but the point is players want to play, and they want to win, if they arent winning, and arent playing, they certainly arent going to want to be there. he wanted to play for the rox, he said so, and i believe him, he also said that he wanted to play, just like twill has said, he wants to stay with the rox, but it all comes down to where can i get time on the court, where can i show what i am capable of every night (whether he was capable of anything or not is besides the point) i dont fault him for leaving or wanting to leave, we were going nowhere with him, and he wasnt getting the time he needed to test his knee.


now i somehow forgot to record the game before work, i saw patterson's hl's and im going to go watch our highlights now, but i am curious to know how mcgrady played tonight against his old team. also, did he play in the 4th?

 

He played well in the first quarter, then got two fouls and went to the bench. The rest of the game was meh... He didn't play in the fourth quarter. I think only one starter played in the fourth quarter (Stuckey).

 

You're forgetting who pays these players to play. If the front office tells a player no, then as an employee under contract he is obligated to fall in line.

 

well in the real world things dont happen like this. i know who pays him, that's not the point, players want to play, theyre going to complain when not playing (especially when the team isnt winning), he did fall in line, he asked to be traded the org said okay go home while we look for a trade. was there some drama in between that i missed? am i not remembering correctly? i dont remember hearing a bunch of crying about the matter, i just remember him playing 7 minutes, complaining about it, then sent home while they looked for a trade. dont even remember him publicly asking for a trade (maybe he did, maybe he didnt)

i am not disagreeing with you (about players needing to fall in line when management makes decisions), but thats not how it works in the nba. its a players league. i dont like it. i think some guys, like lebron, have too much control, but i dont think mcgrady stepped over the line at the end of his.tenure with us.

its also important to remember these stars (like kobe, lebron, tracy, etc.) they were putting fans in the seats, playing or not, people went to see him, just like a lot of our fans come to see yao sit in a suit, you cant fault these guys for wanting to put on a show and entertain their fans.

 

Tracy has a history of doing this. Selling out the organization after he doesn't get what he wants. He matured a bit with Houston, but he did admit after he was traded to the Knicks that he regrets asking for playing time. And he also stated he wasn't ready.

Tracy is no longer a star, believe it or not. Over-glorified role player at best. At this point I don't know if his injury is physical or mental. He says he is fine physically, which leads me to believe he's lost all confidence. As a basketball player; if you do not have the mentality to go out there and play aggressively, you're not going to do well.

What you're describing is not the same Tracy that you see now.

 

i'm gonna have to rep you dude.

 

No, he got moved because he quit on the court and threw his coaches and teammates under the bus several times in a row (and supposably Battier hated his guts). Ignorance is bliss, I guess. If he acted like a professional, he might still be a Rocket.

 

Hold up, I most certainly don't think Mcgrady is a star, and never have I said so. I have simply said the guy was a phenomenal player and still can be a good player and entertaining to watch, his vision along with height allows him to still be a special player. Overglorified role player? I don't know how to over glorify a bench player other than one of our own Rockets. I think he can be a good, Bobby Jackson like signing, except with a passing mentality rather than shooting. Not saying the Rockets should sign him, that was just the first player that came to mind, late in career Bobby played well his last few years in Sac and Hou.

And I discussed his psyche before, his knee was weak, he wanted to get back to see how it was in real games, I know he rushed it, but at the time he wanted to see if it was ready, and 7 min to like 25 is a big leap. After seeing this of course he regretted asking, he saw that he wasn't ready, he lost. That probably did kill his confidence, but he is gaining some of it back and I think he can still play 3 or 4 more good years.

 

Didn't notice you highlighted that, I was referring to stars at that time, and those three were the top at the sg-sf position 04-08ish which were the best years with us.

 

the team is looking to trade yao bro; and he's as professional as you can get.

the primary reason tmac got traded was b/c he got his microfracture surgery and the future as a star was bleak. like yao, the team was looking to trade him. tmac just made noise about it, that's all.

if tmac was magically healthy then and threw those tantrums, he'd still be a rocket.