[ESPN] Houston offering young talent + picks for Nene

I think Nene would be a pretty big upgrade on the surface if we were simply trading one for one at the C spot.



BUT - I dont think Nene is a long term piece to the puzzle.

So many things you have to factor in - what it takes to get him from Denver , Does he opt out , if not , whats it cost to extend him ? Is he a piece to a a roster that can win it all in the future ?


If the answer to any of the above is too much or maybe .... whats the point ?

 

If the trade were centered around Jeffries, Hill and Bud( hopefully not Lee ) then yes it woul be an upgrade for this season. Anything else, then idk.

 

Well done! It amazes me people don't want Nene. It's like if DM can't make a "magical superstar trade" then don't make one at all. Generally there is no magic pill. We just need to make trade after trade to get better. It has to start somewhere. Perhaps it starts with shoring up our C position. Nene would be a terrific start!

 

Nene's not a franchise layer by any means, but then again I'd say there's maybe about 10 franchise players at most in the league. Maybe we get him, and T-Will becomes starter quality. We'd be a fun team to watch, not a contender, but maybe a team that can make some noise in the playoffs.

 

So you want to replace Scola for Nene? That's a net zero. Actually, I rather keep Scola. Nene isn't a true center either. He isn't physical, he does not provide the rebounding or shot blocking we need.

 

Nene is a franchise center. We havent had one of those since we drafted Yao.

 

If Nene is willing to sign a reasonable extension and we don't need to give up more than a couple of players, by all means we should go for it. Nene is a solid big, good defender, and decent rebounder, meaning he is a solid upgrade no matter which big we compare him to. I would LOVE to see a 2Pat and Nene front court.

 

I think a lot of people in here are seriously underrating Nene, he would be a GREAT piece to add

 

Okay you guys are not looking at the bigger picture. Look this is very simple a Nene trade(as well as keeping Martin and Scola) will hurt our draft positioning for the next couple of years or for however long we have the guy. Whether you like to admit is or not the only way in which the rockets can ever hope to get another "FRANCHISE PLAYER" is through the draft... (trading for one and signing one in free agency is out of the question for we don't the assets to trade for one and no super star wants to play here)

Just for your information guys, second round appearance and first round exits without having a real chance to ever compete for a championship is still considered mediocrity ... even if its more fun level of it.

 

Nobody would have a problem simply adding him... But we are supposed to give Denver something to have him, and to me the problem is that a lot of people want to give away too much to get a big strong 6-11 center that, as big and as strong as he is, has never been able to get 8 rebouds a game in his entire career and gets less blocks than Shane Battier (who instead, everybody wants to get rid of for nothing)... There are pepole mentioning guys like Scola in trade talks like this, that's the problem! I mean, Luis scores more and better, rebounds more, hustles more, has yet to miss a game due to injury in his entire career and demands less money... We need somebody to complement his game, Nene is a good big guy but nothing more than that!

 

Can't wait to see what Morey will get done if anything. It will be nice to get Nene but like some have stated he is not the end all answer to the team's need. I hope this is not the only deal the Rockets will make in order to get the team back into serious playoff run.

 

Having NeNe would be nice but mind you he's no allstar

 

Good post.

 

just a thought...u think denver is trying to take all the players that will help knicks now so they can flip nene to us and that knick pick wil have more value?

If they send melp for chandler gallo and felton...and some say fields too

or gallo chandler mogozov and fields for melo....they are worse this year.

way worse

 

Morey is going to give up too much. This is going to be Shane 2.0

 

What is it going to take to get Nene and who would the Rockets have to beat to get past the first round?

 

THE ROCKETS ARE NOT A DESIRED DESTINATION BY TOP-TIER TALENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH QUALITY PIECES TO COMPETE AT A HIGH LEVEL WITH THEM !!!

Trading for Nene fills our largest problem right now and for AT LEAST THE NEXT 5 years !!!

What that means is that with a lineup of talent, veterans and professionalism you become a considerable location by players who actually want to win.

Nene
Scola
? (TWill, Battier, or incoming talent)
Martin
Lowry

...makes this team THAT much closer to competing again on a high level. Nothing can happen instantly but you also cant put all of your eggs in one basket again like we have been doing with YAO. We have to keep collecting improvements and talent simultaneously. Getting Nene is a major improvement to that position without question.

A sleeper that we all could be over looking is Marvin Williams from ATL…they have been shopping him and he def can fill the 3 spot for us. He fit’s the mold of how we play with the exception of his questionable 3pt%. Getting someone like him and Nene without losing Lee, Pat, or Twill changes the dynamic of this team. This team is not as far from relevance or contention as some seem to believe. You have to collect talent to attract superior talent !!

Stop and think what the culture of the league is now regarding superstars. Super teams are forming where 2-3 stars are trying to play together to win. Eventually these "stars" will realize 2 things:

1.) They will have to either take less money of experience a team w/ lesser talent

2.) They ALL cant play together !!!..Lets say Melo goes and plays with Amare, it will be a no brainer where CP3 goes, but where does that leave DWill or DHoward? They have to choose to either stay with their current teams that they may/may not be happy with OR they will look at a team that has a QUALITY LEVEL of veteran talent to put them over the HUMP. Again, you have to collect talent to attract superior talent !!

The WEST is getting weaker without question and a team like ours w/ a Nene trade makes us that much closer to the WCF. Our free agent misfortune will eventually come to an end, and when it does I really hope we have a sufficient amount of PROVEN VETERAN TALENT to compliment it !!!

We will have a decent amount of $$$ to play with regarding free agents at the end of this year; approx Yao's contract (17mil), Battier (7mil), Jefferies (6mil), Hayes (2mil). You couldn’t expect Yao or Shane to demand that much for their next contracts so IF (not saying that we should) you were to take a chance on either of them on a vet min, you would have to do it. They instantly become quality BENCH players that are needed on any CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM.

All it takes is one star to say yes to us or for us to get LUCKY in the draft and find a diamond in the rough via draft from where ever we draft. Blowing up the team for several unproven draft picks or young players that may turn out to be BUSTS is just not a good management risk/reward decision. People don’t realize that "BLOWING UP a team" take several years to recover from to even get that "FRANCHISE PLAYER" and then it takes more time from him to develop into a star, then it takes even more time to fit complimentary talents around him.

Contrary to what people think around here, if the Rockets were to suck balls worst than what they are doing for the next 5-7 years (which we would be doing like the Wolves, Pistons, Kings, Nets, Clips, etc. have been) you would hate it and would be crying and posting that we cant draft and that we need to make trades to upgrade talent and wondering why no one of top-tier talent wont play for us.

You have to collect talent to attract superior talent !!!

 

I doubt it. and Morey traded a pick to Memphis not the player. Dawson was going to draft Sefolosha.

 

What rubbed me the wrong way about that deal is we could have gotten Kyle Lowry in that deal but we did not push hard enough.

I felt it was lopsided that we gave them stro and the pick and only got back one player.

contrary to popular belief Stro had positive trade value at the time even though jvg hated him.

 

Would have been much better to get Lowry along with Shane. I doubt if Morey will give up much for Nene like you said. He knows Nene can walk out on us too.