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[ESPN] Houston offering young talent + picks for Nene

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LongTimeFan, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. \/|()L/\T()R

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    As the others have said, Perkins and Nene would be nice.
     
  2. inishi

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    Yeah a 6'11 defensive force on a team that is AT LEAST as bad as the rockets. /rolleyes.. Seriously, I don't think anyone on Denver plays d. Nene included. If he was so physical you would expect him to get at least 1 block anymore than 7 rebounds a game with his height and size. He is not interested in playing d. Try watching him once on a while
     
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    He is an excellent post defender. Counting stats are extremely overrated.

    Chuck doesn't get all that many rebounds, nor does he block that many shots. Nene is essentially a 6-11 Chuck Hayes on defense, that is exactly what we need.

    Throw in Dalembert off the bench and the defense is elite...
     
  4. ColomboLQ

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    This is the best idea yet on this thread. Nene at C is above avg but at PF could be dominant.
     
  5. inishi

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    If you haven't noticed, the rockets are usually out rebounded horribly. He's a decent post defender. Doesn't use his size as well as he should. The rockets need a C that is going to intimidate people attacking the basket, and one that is going to get as many boards as freaking possible. as good as chuck as and as much as I like/respect his game, we don't need another one.
     
  6. inishi

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    Now if you're talking about nene as a of, that is much better
     
  7. burnnotice

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    Dude, I am well aware that people say Noah is untouchable, which is why I said Chicago would be stupid for not trading him to get a top 5 player in Carmelo Anthony. I don't care what people say. How in the **** can Joakim Noah be untouchable when nobody in the league wanted to touch him during his first 2 seasons?

    We are talking about Carmelo Freaking Anthony here...

    Same thing with The Knicks trying to hold onto Landry Fields. If you have a shot to pick up a top 5 player in the league in Carmelo, you do it. End of story. The Knicks will never be able to acquire a player like Carmelo Anthony through free agency or the draft. You have such a short window to win in the NBA that if you can put Carmelo Anthony with Amare' Stoudemire, YOU DO IT!!!
     
  8. LongTimeFan

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    I get where you're coming from -- but I also get where Chicago is coming from.

    Carmelo Anthony is a top ten player in this league... but so is Derrick Rose. Trading Noah for Carmelo would leave CHI with two big SFs (Melo and Deng, both being paid $$$) and no great center option.

    Noah is far from a star, but he's still damn good defensively from the center position. He's not a go-to scorer, but he cleans up around the rim and can finish. If you want to contend, you need to have the size on your front court along with the talent to back it up.

    Adding Melo makes Chicago that much more dangerous offensively, but also makes them a much worse defensive team. I don't think it would necessarily be a no-brainer for me if I were running the Bulls.
     
  9. burnnotice

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    Actually, the trade had Deng and Noah going to Denver and Chicago getting Carmelo Anthony, Chuck Hayes, and Patrick Patterson. They know what they are getting defensively with Chuck and Patterson could be a steal (probably not). So, it doesn't make them worse defensively, it makes them better on both ends.
     
  10. LongTimeFan

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    Sorry, I never saw that proposed deal. My fault for coming in late on another conversation.

    I was just responding to what was said about Noah-Melo in the summer -- IIRC, Denver did not want Deng's salary and wanted Noah plus fillers.
     
  11. burnnotice

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    Try this one on for size...


    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6e8nstc

    Houston Gets:

    Nene Hilario
    Ty Lawson
    Wilson Chandler

    Knicks Get:

    Carmelo Anthony
    Steve Nash
    Chuck Hayes
    Shane Battier

    Phoenix Gets:

    Aaron Brooks
    Jared Jeffries/Ronny Turiaf expirings

    Denver Gets:

    Raymond Felton
    Gallinari
    Patrick Patterson
    Eddy Curry expiring
    Houston's unprotected first round draft pick
     
  12. burnnotice

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    Even better for Chicago if Denver is dumb enough to do that deal considering what else is being offered from New York and New Jersey.
     
  13. LongTimeFan

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    burn:

    -PHO is not getting anywhere close to enough for Nash. Brooks + expirings won't get it done.

    -HOU doesn't have an unprotected 1st rounder. We cannot trade our 2011 1st rounder, our 2012 1st rounder is lottery protected and belongs to the Nets. The only 1st rounder of value that we can trade is the NY 2012 1st rounder, which is top five protected.

    -I have a hard time envisioning the Rockets trading Brooks, Jeffries, Battier, Hayes and Patterson and getting back Nene, Lawson, and W. Chanlder. Seems lopsided in favor of Rockets, IMO.
     
  14. Nolocke

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    Just blow this motha up!
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    He's got a good arm, but his ability to track down fly balls is questionable.
     
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  16. burnnotice

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    Not sure where you are getting your information from. The Rockets can swap first round picks with New York this year. They have a draft pick coming to them which is looking very much like a lottery pick.

    And mark my words, next season come deadline time, Phoenix will get less for Steve Nash's expiring contract (if they even trade him at all). Dealing him for Brooks allows them to tank the season while evaluating him, collect more lottery balls, and cap space.

    And it's not lopsided. Chandler is the only real piece. Lawson is a gamble that might pay off. He is really where Brooks was his rookie year. Nene' is just another servicable center despite Rockets fans trying to make themselves feel like he is more.
     
  17. UTAllTheWay

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    lol nice
     
  18. LongTimeFan

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    My info is solid and I stand by what I said. The only draft pick (of value) the Rockets can trade is NY's 2012 first rounder. That would be the "draft pick coming" that you referenced; though I disagree that it looks like a lottery pick, especially if the Knicks land Carmelo.

    The Rockets cannot trade their 2011 draft pick because they traded their 2012 1st rounder for Terrence Williams. You are not allowed to go without a 1st round draft pick in consecutive years.

    Also disagree with you about Nash; we're talking about a superstar here. If Brooks was playing at the level he was last year and you threw in some picks + lesser youth talent guys, I could see it happening. As you proposed? No chance.

    Nene is a top 10 center in the NBA; you can downplay his value if you want, but you can't name 10 guys who play the center position that are more effective than him. Just for fun: Dwight, Bynum, Al Jefferson, Lopez, Bogut, M. Gasol, Cousins. I'd put him just past those guys, though not necessarily in that order.

    Lawson is considered one of the best young PGs and Chandler is a solid young SF. I just can't see us getting that kind of haul for Brooks, Patterson and change -- though I would certainly love it.
     
  19. Rockets_4_life

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    Nene wants to stay in denver, where his wife is from and where their having their 1st baby. So I doubt he signs any contract extention with us if he opts in for the remainder of his contract next year..

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-afterthebuzzer021811

    I don't believe we should trade for him, It looks like he will be just for a short term gain..

    I know I sound like a broken record player, but I really do believe its in the Rockets best interest "longterm" to trade some of their vets for young players and draft picks. Instead of going for these border line all-stars that will get us nowhere but a couple of 2nd round appearance and 1st round exits for the next five years or so - sigh, Idk about you guys but personally I'm tired of mediocrity, and that's exactly what you guys are proposing by trading for Nene and any other border line All-Star...
     
  20. coachbadlee

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    For all you guys saying Nene will get us nowhere, we are barely losing games now with the current line-up we have. We have lost most of our games by fewer than 10 points. Even against the top teams in the league. All this without a legit center. Add a legit center, plus Chuck at his natural position and you have a very dangerous team finishing off this season. The team we have now just beat Denver twice in a week. You don't think Nene would put us where we need to be? Get over yourselves. That's 8-10 more wins than we would have had before. I think he could possibly get us past the 2nd round. Think about it.
     

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