He was a top producer in Virginia, he was highly regarded in Atlanta, and subsequently became a top 10 QB here two years in a row under two different offensive coordinators. How is that a system QB? Schaub seems to be the exact opposite of a system QB, he has succeeded everywhere he has been with a multitude of different staffs running different schemes with different strengths and weaknesses (no D, good D, no running game, good running game, etc)
Which makes an encore all the more unlikely. No, I get where you're coming from. My point is only that I don't think people realize how close the second group of QBs are. For instance, I think Atlanta still wins 12-14 games, whatever they finished, with Matt Schaub. No question. Conversely, I think the Texans are still a 6-win team with Roethlisberger (whose elite defense bails him out a lot and wouldn’t have that luxury here). So the difference, a lot of times, is the team around the QB, not the actual QB. IOW, that second tier (below my elite 3) are pretty interchangeable. IMO.
I fully expect Vick's passing to drop back down into the 90s (maybe even the 80s) in QB rating and his rushing stats to take a slight bump up next year. My "1st tier" is 5 guys, not 3. I speak of Rivers and Rodgers in the same breath as Manning, Brees, and Brady. But I agree, the difference from 6 to 12 is not nearly as much as 6 to 1.
First of all, ALL successful QBs are system QBs; these guys aren’t designing plays with bottle caps in the huddle and then wingin’ it. The greatest QB I’ve ever seen – Montana – was absolutely a “system” QB. With regards to Schaub: He’s a great QB *in Kubiak’s system* - which is a minor but important point of clarification. But just because he possesses the skill set Kubiak needs to make his offense go doesn’t mean we should assume Schaub is only physically or mentally able to thrive in this one system. I think he’s a better QB than that. (Matt Schaub, btw, is the reason I think (hope) Wade Phillips will make a big, big difference in Houston. Kubiak has an offensive system and he knows it *so* well, he can very accurately pinpoint guys that can thrive in it. Schaub's a great example. So is Foster. Daniels. Walter. They've never had that on defense. If Phillips can have similar success plugging in guys on that side of the ball…)
Just 3 for me. I think not only is Rodgers now easily top 3, he's making a case for #1 given his accomplishments and age. Put it this way: I'd have to think long and hard before I'd trade Rodgers for 30+ Manning or 30+ Brady. His concussions are my only drawback. No way I'd deal Rodgers for Brees, though, and certainly not for Rivers. I think Rivers belongs in the second-tier of QBs. Brees does, too, IMO.
Sorry; forgot to include this in my response: Do you realize Vick's best passer rating (as a full-time starter) prior to this past year was 81.6? I think the league will catch-up to Michael Vick, as they started to do near the end of the season (well, the playoffs, at least). He gets hit too often, he’s too one dimensional and is too susceptible to injury. I’m expecting a fall-to-Earth crash for him in ’11.
I don't take age into account, I'm just talking present skill/ability. Not thinking of it in terms of building a fantasy team,etc.
Presently, Rodgers is the top-rated regular season and now postseason QB in NFL history. When you tack on he's just 27 years old (7 and 8 years younger, respectively, than Brady and Manning), it's cherry on top stuff.
] Every QB is a "system" QB. The question is how well that QB runs the offense, and Schaub runs ours very well. On a good day, he's basically unstoppable. He's top 10 in my book. 1. Brady 2. P. Manning 3. Rodgers 4. Brees 5. Roethlisberger 6. Rivers 7. Ryan 8. Schaub 9. Vick 10. Flacco
Is Schaub a prototypical Kubiak QB? (is Tracy McGrady a point forward, for that matter?) Seems like Kubiak's ideal QB would be someone who can run like John Elway for all those bootleg plays, whereas, Schaub (bless his heart) runs more like Ron Cey.... Don't get me wrong, I still love Schaub. He's definitely NOT the problem with this team. It's just painful watching him trying to scramble.
the guy was blessed with a lot and speed wasnt onoe of them. It's really quite amazing that a professional athlete of his stature (6'5 and 230 or so) can be that slow
His attempt to "move the pile" vs San Diego was perhaps the most pathetic football play I have ever seen in my life, short of Chris Brown's goal line pass.
Well... technically speaking, that wasn't Kubiak's offense in Denver; it was Shannahan's. And they inherited Elway. This, right here, is definitely his and Schaub is excelling in it, so... yeah, he would seem to be. Remember, Kubiak scouted Schaub extensively and pegged him a perfect fit. He also plucked Rosenfels out of obscurity and he, too, played well in this system. As you may rememeber, coughcough - he wasn't much of a scrambler, either.
he was drafted and groomed as a definite replacement for favre, much different than how schaub came to be
Sorry dude but I dont think he can do it without the right offense built around him...Peyton ..yes(garbage at reciever)....Brady yes (ditto)...Rivers yes (everyone but Gates garbage)..Brees (ditto)...Great Qbs make the best outta what they have..Walters should be a borderline Pro-Bowl Wr...well maybe not now..but dude didnt get the ball enough...He's your ultimate zone buster(great route runner and posession reciever).... I like Schaub but I'll stop short of callin him a franchise QB..
It's hard to fault Matt just because he has AJ. I like walters toughness but he has no separation speed. He isnt anywhere near a pro bowl WR. He's a franchise QB in that he is capable of being your QB and doing well for several years. Franchise QB, to me, doesnt necessarily mean elite, such as peyton, brady, rivers, etc
