I would. I don't get this argument about waiting till the summer when we can get him for nothing. Hello, Jordan is NOTHING. In fact, usually when he's on the court he's a NEGATIVE for us. I won't miss Hill one bit. I do miss Landry...his energy, his hustle, his clutchness, his competent basketball brain...all things Jordan will never have. We do still need a center, though, and Dalembert wants out...so Hill plus more trash for Dalembert and Landry should get it done. I think it would work out quite well actually. We get a capable center and the heart of our team back. And maybe Landry can get his BFF AB to cheer up and play like the old AB we all know and love! Mandry to Houston FTW!!
I wouldn't. We've got plenty of scorers. Yes, Landry scores at the end of games and I really like his intensity, but you need length and the ability to bother high% shots down low to be successful. Hill's not amazing, but he's the best we have down low.
anyone plays better d then landry the only d landry played was weak side blocking his post d sucked and man on man d sucked he is so inconsistent if this is serious and just some solo trade, its stupid
No. I love Landry and the toughness and heart he brings to a team, but he's one of the poorest defensive rebounders in the league and a mediocre defender. Carl is a very skilled offensive forward but the Rockets don't need more of those, but rather rebounding and defense. Jordan easily has a much higher ceiling than Landry on both of those fields.
Why? Aaron may come back strong next year-- if he's a Rocket, I certainly hope so-- but he's not playing well this year. He's convinced me he's not a PG. Heck, he drives baseline, jumps up in the air, and throws it to the other team worse than any Little Dribbler or AAU kid I ever coached. Seriously. I like him off the bench as a scoring 2, but we're pretty good at the 2 spot with KM and CLee. I think Francisco Garcia is a better 2/3 wing than TWill. Garcia's certainly a better shooter. Maybe TWill will change my mind. Hope he'll do so before February 15, when we can trade him. Luis I'd hate to lose, but the man just cannot or will not defend. Carl at least brings some help-side shot-blocking, and we'd still be good at the 4 with Carl and Patsquatch and JHill-- and Chuck Hayes starting(!) at the 4. Whiteside would be the up or down-side of that trade. At least he's a prospect. I suspect the Kings called him back up from the D-League Jan. 9th to make him a trade chip. Shot-blocking C, anyone?
Jordan Hill didn't start playing ball until the last 2 years of high school, I think. Stromile Swift was a 5 year NBA veteran, when he came the Rockets. He was the same player that he was in his rookie season. Carl Landry was 24 yrs old. Some players break out later. Ben Wallace 26 yrs David West 25 yrs Chauncey Billups 26 yrs Hedo Turkoglu 25 yrs
If you think Hill is raw, then you haven't seen Whiteside. Whiteside makes Jordan Hill look like Kevin McHale down there. Still, though, his athleticism and shot-blocking in college make him an intriguing prospect. You guys need not be freaking out about this. Morey isn't trading Hill for Landry straight-up. I'm convinced that Landry is only coming back here if we've already made a separate move or if we're getting one of those centers from the Kings along with him.
He is likely to get more than 3M which he is making now. Trading for a UFA is risky. I do agree with your point,that we are not going anywhere this season.
The most I can see Landry making as a UFA this summer is a midlevel contract, which will likely be lower if salaries are altered with the new CBA. I'd expect something in the neighborhood of Lowry's deal.
You've got to be kidding me. You guys are on Landry's crackpipe. He is not better than what Patterson is going to be, and he can't rebound worth ****. The same people that are calling for Landry are also the same people shouting about weak interior defense. Now... Brad for Landry would be a miracle. I would condone that 100%.
With Landry being the reason we got Martin, I don't see the Kings letting him walk for nothing. If the Rockets really want him, he probably won't be available in free agency. Since we'd be seemingly "helping them out", he definitely wouldn't be the only one coming to Houston. Morey said the worst thing about having a losing record, is having bad contracts. If Scola isn't going to the Kings, I'd be shocked if he's not about be shipped somewhere....and/or Brad Miller, who's probably being kept out so he won't get injured.
I hope not. I love landry's heart but there is nowhere for him on this roster. I like Patterson better, Hayes is better, and Scola is way better. Landry is better than Hill, but too small to take his minutes at backup center. Thanks but no thanks.
The only problem with this is Hill's game is built on athleticism. By the time his fundamentals catch up, he will have lost a lot of that at 30 or so. If he doesn't have it by now, chances are he will never be Amare Stoudamire. He lacks instinctive things like the ability to catch the ball, anticipate and move his feet defensively, and move his body to block shots while avoiding fouls. I think Stromile Swift is a surgically accurate comparison.
I love Carl, but the only way bringing him back is logical is if we trade the pieces in the logjam ahead of him. Which will likely happen if Morey is able to find a deal for a star player.
Stromile Swift was more athletic, but Hill is already a more effective player than Stromile ever was. Give him some time, these are the first real minutes he's played in the league.
What are you talking about...technically this is Jordan Hill's 2nd season but to me this is his 1st. How can you seriously judge a player that was only given 5-10 mins per game at New York with the Knicks. From your 2nd last sentence you talk about Pat not doing dumb things, so I am assuming you are talking about Hill doing dumb things in 4 years a player can develop a lot in their game and with experience they can decrease the error and bad decisions they make. You didn't even give Hill a chance at developing at all to be honest. If Hill gets traded and becomes a solid player, it will most likely be you that turns the coin and start complaining about trading in the first place. "Usually if you don't get it by 22-23 I don't know if you will" what does that even mean? Hill was drafted when he was 21, he only got to play professionally for one and a half years in the league. What you're basically saying is that after one and a half years in the league a player must instantly become a solid player. Also about the Stromile Swift remark, do you know that Joakim Noah guy he got 6 ppg, 0.9 bpg, 0.9 spg, 5 rpg during his rookie and 6 ppg, 1 bpg, 0.6 spg, 7 rpg during his sophomore years I think his a bust too, I just don't know why the Bulls won't trade him.
Why is this a bad trade? Because we're giving up the 2 best players in the trade and getting nothing significant back! Yes Whiteside is an intriguing prospect, but he is so raw that it'll take at least 3-4 years for him to be a contributor. And if we are going for the blow it up build it back up approach, what's the point of trading for Francisco Garcia? To owe a mediocre player ~$6M for the next 3-4 years? He doesn't do any one thing well, is not what we need (much more of a scorer than a defender...really need more of those on the wings?), and ties you up into someone who's not a sought after asset like Luis or even Aaron could be. I don't doubt that AB has looked terrible at times this year. However, he can net you more value than this trade offer; hell, Luis alone may net more value than this offer. You look to maximize your trade options, and I just don't think this trade makes sense for the Rockets at all. Yeah we get height, but at what cost? 2 of our 3 scoring options? And I personally think TWill has a higher upside than Whiteside. We don't need more shooters if we're going to be keeping Martin. I think TWill next to Martin is a much better fit than Garcia next to Martin. Garcia is long but not a good defender. I will admit he's a good shooter, but I just don't see why we want him here. I'll take my chances with TWill, if he ever sees the damn court.
