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[guitarists] So, you think you can obsolete bassists?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by heypartner, Jan 18, 2011.

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  1. heypartner

    heypartner Member

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    Just saw a guitarists friend of mine play solo this weekend (with only vocal accompaniment). First time I saw him play solo...acoustic.

    Didn't realize how he was getting all those rhythms out ... no computer, but I couldn't see his feet. Afterwards, he showed me his Boomerang looping device. I had no idea these things existed.

    Awesome. So, apparently, you guitarists really don't need a bassist, or rhythm guitar accompaniment. By coincidence, I saw Keller Williams play Sunday with the Gibson Echoplex

    For people like me who don't know what a guitarists can do with a foot pedal, looping device ... check this out. At the start of a song, he plays his rhythm (or a second/third guitar riff) into a foot pedal device then loops them.

    There are no other musicians playing in this video.

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    #1 heypartner, Jan 18, 2011
  2. droxford

    droxford Member

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    too repetitive for my tastes.
     
    #2 droxford, Jan 18, 2011
  3. jchu14

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    Another example:

    KT Tunstall - Black Horse and the Cherry Tree
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    #3 jchu14, Jan 19, 2011
  4. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Member
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    Or you could just be really good at playing guitar. Then you don't need no fancy highfalutin technology flimflam.

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    John Lennon used to use "Scruggs picking" in which he would play a back-and-forth bass melody with his thumb on the lowest strings, while picking an arpeggio with his other fingers. I spent several weeks learning to play this when I was younger:

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    #4 Ottomaton, Jan 19, 2011
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  5. Landlord Landry

    Landlord Landry Member

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    I guess you've never heard of Noveller...?

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    or My Empty Phantom (Jesse Beamen)

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    or ***** Buttons...(it's not a live video, but they loop the sht out of their tracks)

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    When The Word Was Sound

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    I could post a bunch of vids, but just get a few DL4's or some Moogerfooger modulaters and some verbage.

    don't waste your money on RC-20XL's(boss RC-2 series) or Jamman loopers. Those are a waste of tone sucking crap pedals.

    If you really want to "loop" in a non-live performance, just grab a M-Audio interface and Abelton Live or some Presonus gear. Then after you loop to death you can become a deathstar..
     
    #5 Landlord Landry, Jan 19, 2011
  6. Landlord Landry

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    John Lennon played hybrid picking!!! he was so talented...

    get off my lawn!
     
    #6 Landlord Landry, Jan 19, 2011
  7. Landlord Landry

    Landlord Landry Member

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    just wanted to point out one more artist that loops(and layers) his stuff to death...including his bass tracks...

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    #7 Landlord Landry, Jan 19, 2011
  8. Two Sandwiches

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    Not a fan.

    I would rather listen to a whole band that has separate elements of music, and has to rely on their individual talents to compose a song.
     
    #8 Two Sandwiches, Jan 19, 2011
  9. RocketRaccoon

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    While all the videos and talk seems to center on performances, these loop stations, yes, even the Boss RC-2, are indispensible tools for artists practicing at home, writing tunes, etc. They made my life much easier...and productive I might add.
     
    #9 RocketRaccoon, Jan 19, 2011
  10. ima_drummer2k

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    [​IMG]
     
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  11. rocketsjudoka

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    When I was younger I used some looping technology, used to use a digital delay pedal with a 2 second delay. As I've gotten older I like the sound and energy of a full band rather than layering on loops. When I play some of my solo guitar stuff I rely on playing open strings to create a bass line rather than looping.
     
    #11 rocketsjudoka, Jan 19, 2011
  12. DonnyMost

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    f***in sound loops, how do they work?
     
    #12 DonnyMost, Jan 19, 2011
  13. cson

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    el ten eleven ftw!

    He looped it, he looped it!
     
    #13 cson, Jan 19, 2011
  14. heypartner

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    yeah, my friend who I mention is in several bands. When I saw him looping, he was playing a gig in an expansive lobby of luxury hotel. His job was to make everyone hang in the lobby by the fire and buy drinks/appetizers. There wasn't really a stage for a band, just a piano area, and I suppose solo-ing means he gets all the money.

    Perfect setting for looping.
     
    #14 heypartner, Jan 19, 2011
  15. CrazyDave

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  16. emjohn

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    Howie Day before he got signed (and tried to rape chicks on his bus) and was still enjoyable did solo shows and was a heavy user of pedals and loop effects. I liked it, but one very random night a band (Cordero, out of Brooklyn) stayed with us, watched a video I had of him performing and bashed him mercilessly for the use of the pedal effects and loops.

    Of course, that band was pretty impressive musically - intricate songwriting where each instrument completed the chords of the others. No guitar strumming, in other words.

    (Looping and "fake bass" at the 5 min mark)
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    One of the better examples of Howie Day's solo era and his looping
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    When I saw him a couple years later, full band, it blew. It took the magic out of his performances and white washed them into generic rock.

    He's a prime example of getting big being the worst thing that could have happened to him.
     
    #16 emjohn, Jan 19, 2011
  17. jo mama

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    i had one for a couple years and just sold it last month - i also have the green line 6 looper and i like it better.

    juana molina uses two boss loop stations - she is amazing - voices, guitars, keys and beats all looped by one person. despite it all being loop-based, her stuff never comes off as repetitive to me. if you like tropicallia at all you will like her stuff.

    even weirder is that in the 90's this chick had the biggest sitcom in south america - she was basically the jerry seinfeld of argentina and gave it up to make music.

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    #17 jo mama, Jan 19, 2011
  18. JeopardE

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    Any musician that can be replaced by a loop or computer program, even for 8 bars at a time, is not worth his salt.
     
    #18 JeopardE, Jan 19, 2011
  19. Fyreball

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    That's fine and dandy as long as you have a repetitive bass line, but what if you're NOT a mannequin?!?!
     
    #19 Fyreball, Jan 19, 2011
  20. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    Yeah, but where is the Olivia Munn topless shot?
     
    #20 Xerobull, Jan 19, 2011
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