Theory-Is Rent Carmelo a smooth way to blow it up?

Melo has made it clear that this is his career not lalas, he's going to make what he thinks is best for him and of course consult with lala. They're married so both sides have to be happy, but the way I see it melo wears the pants.

Melo is really hush hush about the situation, I wouldn't doubt it if he gets traded doesn't sign no extension and goes to NY. The guy is a top 10 player in the league, put yourself in his shoes.

This summer you see lbj, wade, bosh male their mega team. I would be infuriated that those guys did that; just like everyone else was, I see him trying to build his own mega team in NY.

I like to pretend he comes to Houston and builds here but it's a long shot.

 

i agree with this. i've been thinking about this for a while now.

what we're doing isn't working...there's no danger to me in taking this risk, because we're in the worst possible spot right now....purgatory. risking our roster comprised of role players isn't a risk to me.

 

I thought I (sort of) covered this issue in the Renting Carmelo thread.

If the Rockets are unable to convince Melo to sign an extension, they could sign-and-trade him to the Knicks for a HUGE TRADE EXCEPTION and FUTURE DRAFT PICKS. Those two types of assets are among the very best for use in starting over.

Also, if the "Plan B" was to be left with a sucky team if Melo left, then I'm guessing Morey wouldn't make a Melo trade in the first place. He could find a way to get future draft picks for some of the Rockets' current player assets. That would seemingly make much more sense to the Rockets.

 

I understand the T/E part being a potentially huge asset in the "new" NBA but how valuable are the draft picks going to be? If Melo joins the Knicks, they will be VERY good for some time and even if Amar'e goes down, Melo could carry them to an above average record.

If we are starting over, I don't see the picks being so important however losing a contract like Martin or Scola could be a bigger deal and opening up the possiblities of un-even trades and adding an impact guy via FAgency in 2012.

 

i think we should get closer to the kings and dangle AB, Yao, and PATTERSON maybe pick up some bad contracts something along those lines, for their 1st round pick(since i dont see them moving cousins and they have better odds to hit the lotto than us) while staying in talks with denver for carmelo, and remain kinda competitive in the west.

 

i guess what im trying to say is all that talent that we are offering to denver why dont we just offer it to a high lottery team for their 1st round pick

 

Is that like Cleveland renting Lebron last year?

 

The people that advocate "tanking" in order to get a high draft pick really frustrate me. First of all, we are way too talented of a team to just lose 80% of our games, and doing so for an entire season is preposterous. Are we supposed to just tell our players to try to lose during the year? With the roster we have, even if they didn't play hard we'd still end up with a better record than the Clippers, Kings, T-Wolves, Cavs, Wizards, etc... so we'd probably end up with the number 6-8 pick at best, and what are the odds of getting a superstar/franchise player there? Even if we ended up with the worst record in the league, there's only a 25% chance of getting the #1 overall pick, and if there is truly a superstar available, odds are that he would go #1. If it's someone that needs a few years to develop into a superstar, that's probably three (the "tanking" year plus two more development years) before we have any real chance of contending again. And lord knows the reaction from these same "fans" that want to tank would be constant complaining about how bad we are and how our coach needs to be fired, everyone needs to be traded, and everything else that people say on here. The only time that tanking is excusable, in my opinion, is when you are one of the worst teams in the league near the end of the season, with a real shot at the #1 pick, and some of your key players end up with some questionable "injuries" and don't play for the rest of the season. Also, this would be a terrible terrible year to tank, considering how weak the draft class is. I just don't see how we are going to get significantly better by playing poorly in order to try to get a higher pick in a weak draft. We have a lot of good young players, and I'd rather stick with what we have and develop those players while still trying to trade for a Carmelo/Granger/Iguodala/whoever else than starting over and most likely ending up in the same position we are now, or worse, in 3 or 4 years. Sorry this is so long, I'm sure most people won't even read it, but I just think the whole tanking argument is ridiculous.

 

I guess I still don't like Melo as a player. So my view is probably skewed.

If Melo was a tier one franchise player, it is worth the risk. The problem I see is that he is NOT someone you want to build around as a championship contender. If he was, Denver would have been a contender. They have had some pretty good pieces around him. And he doesn't seem to be a good second banana type, willingly deferring to an alpha dog.

My fear is not that we rent him and lose him. My fear is that we actually get him and we are still going nowhere. My fear is that he is just a better version of Stevie "Franchise" who is really NOT a franchise player. My fear is that we would end up in just another kind of purgatory.

 

I would ask Melo questions, but I don't know that I'd believe anything he told me. He likes to play people.

DM is not going to get caught with his pants down. He will have the exit strategy all figured out before he pulls the trigger. We are almost certain to be able to get some assets for Melo next season. I think there's a 1% chance that Melo risks going FA after this season - he WOULD get caught with his pants down, and probably lose $20 million. Assuming we get to S&T him, I'm mostly afraid we'd come out of that trade having lost, say, Hill, Bud, and a 1st-rounder for the experience. I especially worry about this because I think Les would end up making money, and would excite the fair-weather fans, and the only people unhappy would be us hard-core fans.

If Melo doesn't sign a contract, either to stay a Rocket or be S&T'd, we could dive under the salary cap and pick up one pretty nice player. Plus, our team salary would be low, which isn't all bad. So, if Melo really goes FA after the season, we'll be OK, anyhow. I'm just worried about how we end up after the S&T scenario.

 

Houston has a better package of young talent to offer IMO..:

Im not against renting... You give up talent, but could get that right back and then some if an extension doesn't work out via sign and trade.

I don't see Denver trading him to the west though...they would potentially have to face Carmello a lot more than twice as much for 3 years if after the new CBA the league allows owners to franchise their players.

 

Given these options, I'll just tank and accept the stigma. I'm not envying Cleveland's situation of being left high-and-dry by a franchise player and having to wait for a whole other season of losing before getting a draft pick to replace him with. I'd rather suck this season and be good next season and thereafter, than be mediocre this season and suck next season before getting good.

I think Morey is probably right that we could convince Anthony to sign the extension after he got here. But, I sure don't want to take the chance with the real assets we have.

 

This theory has been on my mind for aaaages, and thats is why I am the number 1 proponent for a Melo trade. Extension or not, he is well worth it. The current New Jersey offer is crazy off-the-charts good for Denver and Denver is still not accepting it, one minute insisting Al Harrington being included, the next minute insisting on not taking Petro, blah blah blah...this thing is gonna go on for ever for Denver on their stubborness to save "face" or whatever getting angry at New Jersey just because they went to the media with it and etc etc...

One thing I'd like to say is: a Melo trade would be AWESOME for the Rockets. No Melo trade = no future for the Rockets. "Assets" like Battier/Budinger/Hayes/Jefferies/Hill/Lee are not "assets" if you don't use them right. They are fantastic players, but compared to Melo? Melo is out of the world compared to those players. Melo is a franchise player while those other guys are realistically fetchable through normal draft/trade processes. When was the last time you saw a superstar being traded?

What RileyDog has said in the OP has been my thoughts ever since the Melo rumors first surfaced. It's a gamble, high risk, high reward, but we have to go with it.

Worse case scenario, we sign and trade him to the New York Knicks for Randolph/Azubuike/Fields/Chandler/Douglas/Gallinari.

Not bad?