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Are we two really good players away from contending?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jan 9, 2011.

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  1. meh

    meh Member

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    Basically the flip side of the rebuilding argument.

    First, I want to make it abundantly clear that we have almost zero chance of getting a superstar. I know that. And I don't have the magic formula for luring Dwight Howard here for Jordan Hill.

    So with that out of the system, what about getting TWO really good players instead? Do you think that's feasible?

    Let's take the recent example of Granger. Here we have a steady player who's going into a rut. His trade value is likely low at this point, perhaps low enough that the Pacers will trade him. Maybe they really like George, so who knows. Also suppose Portland's rebuilding again, and they're willing to give up Camby's big contract, which they don't need anymore. So suppose we give Portland picks/expirings for Camby. And we give Pacers Patterson(if Pacers are enamored with him), CBud or CLee, Brooks or Lowry, Yao's big insured expiring, and perhaps some other stuff for Granger. I don't know. Regardless our depth will lightened up.

    To me that's not actually out of the realm of possibility. Much more common than superstars getting traded are veteran-players-on-bad-teams getting traded. And instead of getting one great player, you look for two good ones.

    Camby, Scola, Granger, Martin, Lowry. Defense becomes acceptable with Camby. Offense becomes somewhat of a juggernut with Granger. Depth becomes an issue, and will rely on Morey pulling acceptable bench players out of his ass to cover.

    So two questions.

    One: Do you think it's reasonable for us to get two good/great players that shore up our weaknesses at SF and Center
    Two: Do you believe that's the right direction for our team?
     
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  2. iconoclastic

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    Yes ,but Camby (I haven't watched him much recently) has a reputation for being a poor one on one defender, while I'm not sold on Granger as a go to guy (not as much as Iguodala). The plan can work, but I'm just not sold on those two guys you mentioned.
     
    #2 iconoclastic, Jan 9, 2011
  3. il italiano

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    any team that lands two star players can easily be considered as contenders, or at least dark horses. but its very difficult to get those type of players via trade. i just dont see why the pacers would be willing to let their franchise player go.
     
    #3 il italiano, Jan 9, 2011
  4. BetterThanEver

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    If we got Kobe and Duncan, we could contend. If we got Granger and Camby, they are not good enough.
     
    #4 BetterThanEver, Jan 9, 2011
  5. roslolian

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    Well to me rather than just being a contender I'm more concerned with the time you are contenders. IMHO in 2-3 years we will see a changing of the guard in the NBA. In 3 years Duncan, Manu, Dirk, Kobe, PP, KG, Nash, Kidd, Wade and Allen will officially leave their peak, severely weakening Dallas, San Antonio, the Lakers, Celtics and even Miami to an extent. In the west at least, that leaves a huge hole in the power rankings, so if I am DM I would be trading for guys who are still pretty young to play in 3 years' time. Iggy and Granger are pretty good examples, as far as centers go I'd look at trying to snag Marc Gasol from Memphis, I'm sure they would be willing to part with him when its time to pay him big money considering they're paying Gay et al. and going nowhere.
     
    #5 roslolian, Jan 9, 2011
  6. _RTM_

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    Yeah, for sure.

    we are healthy Yao + healthy T-Mac away from contending
     
    #6 _RTM_, Jan 9, 2011
  7. northeastfan

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    Not two but five.
     
    #7 northeastfan, Jan 9, 2011
  8. joesr

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    playoff contenders, yes.
    conference finals and above, no.
     
    #8 joesr, Jan 9, 2011
  9. mrjuandiego1988

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    lebron is 1 player and look what happened in cleveland
     
    #9 mrjuandiego1988, Jan 9, 2011
  10. Rockets_4_life

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    HELL NO!!!
     
    #10 Rockets_4_life, Jan 9, 2011
  11. London'sBurning

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    Any team is either one or two really good players away from being a contender.
     
    #11 London'sBurning, Jan 9, 2011
  12. JMAD21

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    Wade
    Rose
    Paul
    Carmelo
    Lebron
    Yao
    Durant
    Dwill

    All these players were drafted and completely turned their teams around in a fairly short time. I hate losing more than anyone but we won't get this thing turned around till we go out and draft a potential star and hope he doesn't disappoint.
     
    #12 JMAD21, Jan 9, 2011
  13. No Worries

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    Yes and likely no.

    The Rockets core will be good enough to make the playoffs. Their younger players (Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill, Courtney Lee, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Williams) will have to continue to develop, especially defensively. Their younger players also have the potential to become good/great players. Trading these players might land established good/great players now.

    I am not sure about that trading the youth though. In the short term, the new players might not be enough to make a solid run in the playoffs or even to make the playoffs. Keeping the youth might mean more playoff runs later.
     
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  14. Htowndaplace2bE

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    Just to let you know Granger is a pure scorer that can shoot and can finish at the rim Iguodala is no go to man because he is not a shooter if we got Iguodala we would have to go to martin in the clutch but if we had granger we would go to him because he can make the open and to some what difficult shot in the clutch
     
    #14 Htowndaplace2bE, Jan 9, 2011
  15. Clips/Roxfan

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    If i were the Rockets, i would look get a good player while his value is low. The guy I would look to trade for is Chris Kaman. Chris has been hurt with a bruised ankle injury, but Kaman is nearing a return. The Rockets can get him for cheap, and at 28, Chris Kaman can still be a good starting center in the NBA.

    Jared Jeffries' expiring contract and jordan hill:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/t...tradeId=2c2bnzr

    We can bring Patrick Patterson off the bench. Plus, Chris Kaman only has one more year in his contract, so if he doesn't work out, Kaman would be an expiring contract next year.
     
    #15 Clips/Roxfan, Jan 9, 2011
  16. fallenphoenix

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    this, just ask the heat
     
    #16 fallenphoenix, Jan 9, 2011
  17. LongTimeFan

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    Danny Granger is a chucker who would rather shoot threes than drive the ball and get fouled. He's not a good ball-handler and thus is often unable to get off his own shot. You can't give Granger the ball in the clutch and expect him to win you the game.

    I actually would rather give the ball to Iguodala in the clutch. He can penetrate and find the open man or take the shot himself. Granger would probably stare down his man for a few moments before launching his 8th three of the game.

    Danny Granger is overrated on this forum.
     
    #17 LongTimeFan, Jan 9, 2011
  18. MadRox

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    Sure, if that 2 players are Blake Griffin and Yao return to play entire season without injury....what's the chance of that happening :grin:
     
    #18 MadRox, Jan 9, 2011
  19. ashishduh

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    I'd say one, any good defensive center will do.
     
    #19 ashishduh, Jan 9, 2011
  20. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    That scenario is plausible. But I don't think it's the right direction. Camby is old as hell so he isn't even worth acquiring unless we'd be a contender with him. And, personally, I don't think adding two players of the quality of Granger and Camby (even if we didn't have to give up a single rotation player to get them) would even get us out of the 1st round of the playoffs.
     
    #20 Williamson, Jan 9, 2011
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