Kings got Dalembert to dump Noci and Hawes. They need his expiring contract. Unless you plan on giving them a draft pick of some real young talent they won't do it.
I've said this for a couple of years now, we need to try and get Chris Andersen, he would take care of a few things we're missing. Of course he brings blocks and rebounding, but he's also a Rockets type of player, all energy, does the dirty work and brings toughness (which we desperately need). He's not a liability off the court any longer, has a decent jumper when he wants to use it (10-15 ft), if he gets in the paint he's looking to dunk it, but blocks, rebounds and toughness is what we're lacking the most. We're getting out toughed in a lot of these games too, we need a guy who can come out and be tough with other teams and isn't worried about backing down to these big guys.
got no problem with swapping expirings (dalembert and yao) if it nets us whiteside. but even though the insurance money is a big plus with SAC, i still feel they would definitely want a pick/prospect coming back. depending, on who, that's not a deal breaker.
Since we now have Terrence Williams, we should consider trading Battier or Jeffries (Kings' choice) + our trade exception for Dalembert. If he works out, we probably have the best shot at re-signing him. If not, we have a $12M expiring. Whiteside would be a bonus, but we'd have to surrender a player for him. Even if they accepted a second rounder, we would have 16 players under contract on a 15-man roster. Someone would have to cut. Who?
Come on, now, thumb! You can't combine a trade exception with player salaries for matching purposes! You ought to know better by now, man!
I like this trade idea but who else will the Rockets give up outside of Yao. The Rockets are at the limit (15 players), they would have to give up Yao and another player...unfortunately probably Ish!
I am ok with the veteran black Haitian. Has weaknesses but ok for rental. Morey wants Cousins obviosly but probably will settle for the Haitian Passion Assassin and something like Carl Laundry.
This guy is exactly what we need at the moment, and to take his contract, Sac would probably throw in Whiteside if the problem with Dalembert really gets out of hand. Would I probably do the deal without Whiteside, probably.
if you would do this without whiteside, I am so glad you are not the GM. say no to stop gaps and build a foundation for our future.
Good points, guys. If the Rockets don't feel that the addition of Dalembert makes them a playoff team or that he is otherwise worth in the long-term the assets they would need to give up, then what's the point? Also, as much as people may criticize Les for this, there's still got to be a point where the return in trade is just simply not worth giving up the insurance payout on Yao's contract or otherwise further subjecting the Rockets to more luxury tax exposure. Of course, Les wants to win. And I continue to believe that Les will gladly pay the tax if it means WINNING. But if a move makes the team only a slightly better non-playoff team, I would not fault him in the least for saying "no" to such a deal. And if the Rockets weren't willing to trade a future second rounder plus cash in order to nab a pick at #31 through #33 range so they could take Whiteside, then what makes you think that they'd trade Yao's contract or otherwise incur more luxury tax to get him now? It's not like he's shown much more promise than he did before the draft. He's struggling in the D-League. (I personally would have been very much in favor of trading for a pick and taking Whiteside, but the Rockets obviously have their own evaluation of him.) Bottom line: Unless Dalembert is viewed as a guy who definitely makes the Rockets a playoff team this year, I don't see the team being willing to move Yao's contract for him. Even if it means getting Whiteside, and even if it means otherwise just letting Yao's contract expire for nothing. At least they'd have Yao's Bird rights as an option to re-sign him for less money without regard to the salary cap (assuming the new CBA allows it, which it likely will).
Why would Dalembert not be an option at C for next season? Do you think he'd be too expensive too retain?
Who said he can't be? If the Rockets really like him, then sign him as a free agent in the offseason. Heck, the Rockets could use the insurance money from Yao and earmark it for Dalembert's contract! If Yao's really done, then the Rockets could open up some cap room to sign Dalembert. And I don't think he's worth more than the resulting cap room the Rockets would have ($6-8M, ballpark guess not knowing the new CBA and assuming that Brooks's cap hold stays the same).
I agree.. I think at this point, it would only make sense to trade Yao's contract with other prospects/assets if it gets an all-star caliber player. I personally dont want another "prospect/asset"...i think we have enough of those already. I'm still holding on to hope that the Hornets realize they're not going anywhere and need to have a fire sale and we some how can make a deal for Paul and Okafor
It would be easier to sign him if we have his Bird Rights, right? I assume we inherit those if we trade for him this season, but maybe I'm mistaken. The reason to get him now is too try to salvage the current season by adding some size in the middle, in addition to making it easier to retain him. Losing the insurance money is the cost.
The difference between the two of us: I just don't think Dalembert's worth that much. However remote the possibility, being able to re-sign Yao using his Bird rights, and especially when you add to that the insurance payout, is not worth giving up for a player the caliber of Samuel Dalembert. Not to mention the fact that Sacramento may ask for additional cash, picks or other assets. But maybe that's just me.
I don't think having Yao's Bird rights has any value for us. I can't see him voluntarily signing with another team, even if they are promising him more money. If he plans on playing next year, I think he'll be back in Houston for whatever we can give him.
That works, although the Kings might want a little more for Whiteside then just an expriing, maybe a 2nd round pick.
