How long are you willing to tank to get a superstar?

0 games.

 

Thoughts on the following gamble:

Trade Brooks, Ming, Jeffries, throw in a pick to cancel out the curse of Jeffries
Receive Steve Nash

Steve Nash has at least 3 years left in the tank, have him groom Lowry on shooting. Lowry has already been improving on his 3s - having Steve Nash teach him a few more things wouldn't hurt.

If Yao wants to sign and return with the Rockets next season, great for merchandise sales, and if he is healthy even better for the team.

Target C prospects in draft and hopefully management picks wisely - which I'm sure he will.

In the upcoming years (hopefully sooner rather than later) target Ricky Rubio. Which the Rockets have before. Maybe give up the rights to Sergio Lull and/or send over a well put-together package of the Rockets assets at the time.

The more and more I see how Morey is building this team, the more it seems he really is pushing the idea of an 11-12 man rotation like in the Euro leagues.

 

The Rockets, Astros, Texans all need to tank, all our pro teams suck.

 

My thoughts are it's lame to post the exact same post in multiple threads. Post in one thread like the 41,000 rest of us. Your thoughts just aren't special enough for me to care to read them 6 times over in different threads.

 

Francis was a three pick but I see your point... but remember, Francis did not come to our way by losing, rather it was by trade.

Players have constantly echoed when they hit free agency they want to go somewhere they can win. Players demand trades to places they can win. Look at the formation of the super friends. Did they come together because they wanted to have sleepovers and practicing kissing boys with each other? Sure, but they also wanted to win.

I think Houston's near 500 record this year and last proves they have a strong core of a supporting cast. If you're ever not sure, look at the Cleveland Cavs. Bronny took that team to the finals and now that team looks like a chicken with its head cut off.

Even after last night's horrendous meltdown to the Nuggets, I still think if Houston had one star from a trade they could win. Heck, the only thing that kept Yao and Tmac from having rings with this team was injuries and shoddy officiating...

 

Yay- a team that could "make some noise" in the playoffs, maybe push a team to 7 games or win a series (WOW!)...but otherwise one that has no chance.

Where have I heard this story before? Oh yeah, pretty much every year since 1999.

 

I suppose you're right. My apologies. Won't happen again.

 

Right, and from 99-2004 (5 years) we were in "REBUILDING" mode. We went to playoffs once, and McGrady saw that this team had enough assets (Yao) to tell Magic mgmt that he wants to come to Houston.

In order for us to be competitive and to attempt to lure a max-type FA is to continue to win.

How many Big name FA's do you think are crazy about going to Sacramento, LAClippers, Memphis, Indiana, or NJ? They've been in the dump/rebuilding mode for 5+ years and have had MANY lottery picks! What have they gotten out of those lottery picks?

Sorry, but i'd rather take my chances in 1st/2nd round exits and have a legit shot at luring a big name FA than having to go to the lottery for 5+ years.

 

Continue to win 48-52% of your games = continue to lose 52-48% of them.

I'm to old to care at this point, really, about a team that scraps and overachieves its way to 44 wins, a la 2010. I am completely unenthralled.

Being a Rockets fan in the glory days of the late 80's mid 90's was way, way different. A mediocre decade of being almost-a contender is now being followed by 1, going on 2, years of utterly indifferent .500 mediocrity. And guess what's on the horizon, barring the miraculous acquisition of a true franchise player? A third year of the same or a lockout. Yay.

 

Most hilarious post I almost missed.

 

"Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is Spartan law.
And by Spartan law we will stand and fight... and die."

 

I love the b****y whiny Moaning Mertles that complain about being mediocre but don't actually put a plan forth as to how to get to the top echelon.

Because tanking is no guarantee of getting better.

The Rox are better now, and have done an AMAZING job of getting a decent roster that can compete when their 2 star players fell apart.

Most teams would be very high in the lottery after that.....the Rox are in a position to get better through trade, or have good assets to trade for high picks.

They are in a great spot....

Now, back to the regularly scheduled bunch of Moaning Mertles !

DD

 

You'll have to get rid of Battier and Hayes too to complete the clean house of all those "never say die" guys.

 

I agree with sam and omr. SamFisher said something very interesting. Tracy,dirk,pierce,amare and to a certain degree gay and butler were all drafted 8th or lower. I bring this up because the rockets talent and coach would seem to indicate they will always draft around the 12 or lower. They need to win, but win with young guys and do enough to crack the top 10. If you look at those guys listed, they were probably the most talented players in their draft class who dropped for various reasons. Thats where the rockets need to be draft wise. Thats why alot of people were upset with the gay trade. He was arguabably the most talented player in the 06 draft.

I think and have said the rockets are in a bad place right now. People can scream about assets and hold onto them until a superstar shakes free, but in the meantime, the assets are being devalued.

 

But if you look Houston/Morey has kinda done that. True, we didn't outright pickup players in the 6-8 region, but via trades we've been able to acquire talent in that range...

 

I agree with you in a sense. I would rather take a 1st/2nd round exit, because, other than Calvin Murphy, the Rockets haven't gotten a star outside of the top 3 picks, in fact most of them were drafted number 1 overall (Yao, Dream, Sampson, Hayes).

On the otherhand, I don't think we have the talent that could lure another star to Houston. The McGrady situation was different, because we had an emerging star in Yao. We can possibly land a superstar, but it has to be the right player. It can't be a player like Carmelo who can dictate where he will go, but a player Chris Paul if their team continues to fall.

Tanking won't solve any problems, but at this point what we need the most is a big trade to land that superstar. Morey has accumulated enough assets for a trade, we just need to be patient and wait for him to find a suitable star.

 

Spoken like a true fan.

 

Sure, because god only knows, Leslie and Daryl Morey are anxiously hitting F5 on this thread and awaiting the unveiling of my Powerpoint of the grand Five-Year Plan for revitalizing the franchise....probably about as much as they're logged onto GizStudPrez's Youtube channel and his next Rocket talk.

This team should have fire-sold its veterans at a high price point from the moment Yao's x-rays came back in 2009, but me posting it on a message board did not magically make it happen. Grow up.

 

I agree, but here is the problem,vets ahead of them. I dont think anyone can evaluate hill,williams,patterson or even chase because of the limited minutes. When dirk entered as a rookie, he was terrible, but the next year he looked better because he played alot.

Pierce,butler,amare,and rudy all played big minutes as rookies and it was easy for them to get and out of the flow of offense or defense. All of those guys except amare and caron were on lotto teams the next year. We know how amare turned out, but butler helped the heat get shaq.

Point being, I like and understand the strategy,but if young players arent getting 30+ minutes because we're chasing the 8th seed, then i think its a waste.

 

Okay, here's mine..

Trades: Martin for Mayo and Thabeet and Scola and Chuck Hayes for Harden and Aldrich + 2012 OKC pick ... Keep Kyle Lowry TRADE Aaron Brooks for multiple draft picks.. and commit to developing the young talent by giving these young players with HIGH talent playing time ..

Rotation...

Kyle Lowry | OJ Mayo

James Harden | Courtney Lee

Terrence Williams | Chase Budinger

Jordan Hill | Patrick Patterson

Cole Aldrich | Brad Miller/Hasheem Thabeet

+ High/Mid lottery pick

This team is alot more balanced with TWO way players, who play both offense and defense, through out the rotation. It also has two 7'0 who actually have the talent to anchor a teams defense, so we can regain our defensive Identity. Of course the team wouldn't win much early on due too the inexperience, and development. But the potential to be great would definitely would be there!

Not to mention this team could land us in the 5-8 range in this years draft giving us a realistic chance at prospects like Kanter, Montiejunas and Vesely!