Oh, really? So Blake Griffin isn't a superstar? You're probably the only one who thinks he isn't a superstar even as a rookie. And he's got some good players around him too. Team success literally has nothing to do with how good of a player you are. BB is a team game.
Look at Martin's stats, he does not impact the game in any other way besides scoring, and by the same token he isn't a big time go-to scorer who can create offense consistently. He is not a superstar plain and simple.
You know nothing about basketball if you think Zach Randolph is a superstar, or if ANY part of his game is as good as TD's.
Facepalm...... I am not comparing Zach to TD you imbecile, you said "Team success literally has nothing to do with how good of a player you are" and i am using TD as an example of why that that is false, every GM in the league would take the old TD today over Zach Randolph.
Thinking about how efficient a scorer KMart is only makes me sad thinking of what might have been with Yao.
But but but...you said BBall is a team game and it doesn't really matter how skilled an individual is....
easy there fellow, you're making some strong statements here. Questions: How do you know Kevin Martin will never be a superstar? (and who side are you on?) Do you consider Westbrook a superstar? Your statement on him was very vague. Please elaborate. Thanks.
IMO the difference between a All-star and a Superstar is mainly "Media" based, with playoff success. Some players are young and hyped up but that don't make them Superstars. There are quite a few All-stars in the league but a lot fewer Superstars. Kevin is clearly a All-star and I'll take that. He's not a Superstar because he's not hyped by the media, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Garrnet, Kobe these are the All-stars. I say off the top of my head that I'd only consider about 15-17 players in the league Superstars.
it's not about side. it's being realistic and seeing how he plays. even morey agrees with me b/c he always says we need to get a real star in here. westbrook is a borderline superstar. but he is a level above kevin martin. what makes a superstar is this: you impact games even when you don't score. westbrook can impact games with his passing, defense, and pushing the pace even if he can't buy a hoop. and we've seen him do it all without kevin durant this year. and i say borderline is b/c he's been pushing his foot of the gas these past few weeks with durant rising again. and he has only done it to start the year. to be considered a superstar, you have to do what westbrook has done at least for a year and the repeat it. but we all love to have a kevin martin b/c we are seeing first hand what he is capable of: efficient, great offense. no one can produce offense like he does and the way he does it. but this team needs an all-around star. you're not going to see the pistons-type team win a championship that frequently. morey knows this, and i hope he's working hard to find us one. and if kevin martin nets us that player, morey will trade him.
Lebron took a 20 win team to 60 mins. If you are a true supr star you can take scrubs and make them look ok.
but team success determines your legacy and status as a great player. monta ellis is putting up great stats but he is considered an all-star caliber player, not an all-star
no blake griffin is not a superstar YET. winning a championship requires a great team. but in the reg. season, a superstar should at least have his team contend for the playoffs. but don't get me wrong, blake griffin will be a superstar either next year or 2 years. he's too young to understand how to control a game. but he will soon. he's a superstar in the making.
exactly. you put lebron or wade or kobe or a true superstar on that warriors team, they'd be a top 5 seed in the west EASILY. but a monta? well, they're fun to watch but not so much. i think if you put kevin martin on the warriors, they'll be sucking the same way. i think people don't understand the difference between a star, all-star, or superstar. star - very good stats (al horford, josh smith, jason richardson) all-star - great stats (kevin martin, monta, stephen curry...) superstar - great stats that impact games (only 7-8 in this L: lebron, wade, kobe, cp3, deron, dwight, rose) and obviously there are players who are borderline so they're in between)
Only Ilgauskas and Lebron were on both the 04 Cavs team and the 09 Cavs team. It took 5 years and almost a complete roster overhaul. It's not really accurate to say that the 2009 Cavs roster sans Lebron were "scrubs", especially since that team was built around him.
