Zack Greinke is so much better than Wandy. Wandy is older and will be a free agent as well. Grienke has put up of those numbers in the AL and Wandy has done in the NL. I still think you could get a lot for Wandy if the Astros decide to trade him. He would now be the best pitcher on the market with Lee and Grienke off the market. I think they will trade him near the deadline.
Brewers top 3 of Zack Greinke, Yovani Gallardo, and Shaun Marcum is pretty good. I think they are comparable to Giants top 3 in Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, and Jonathan Sanchez as well as Cardinals top 3 Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, and Jaime García.
Oh I agree, don't get me wrong, but even then Wandy has put up some nice numbers in comparison to Zack and I'm sure the Yanks won't even sniff Pavano so Wandy can bring back a nice load. Also take into account the Yanks are desperate, considering Andy may not come back, Wade could pull off a Morey type trade.
Wandy for Jesus Montero straight up. C Montero 1B Lee 2B Keppinger SS Barmes 3B Johnson LF Hall CF Bourn RF Pence Maybe take the extra money and sign Carl Pavano.
Why would you want Montero when you have Castro? Montero is probably a better player but if they trade Wandy, I got to think they want young pitching in return. And they didn't sign Bill Hall to play left field? Keppinger is gone by the end of spring training at the latest.
If the 'stros could get 1/2 or even 1/3 of the talent from somebody that the Royals got for Greinke, they should do that in a heartbeat. The Royals sodomized the Brewer's farm system/young talent pool.
You think so? I thought it was a weak package for their best player. But hey, thats way they are the Royals.
Actually, the Royals have a KILLER farm system now and should be bad enough in the next few years that they should get more quality young players. I do agree that I would have thought, after what I had heard the Royals were asking for, that they could have gotten more but most people have said this is a win win for both sides.
The Royals are getting killed for the most part for giving up on Greinke with 2 years left on his contract at a very reasonable price for 4 good prospects but nobody is elite. The Brewers are smart. They could get 1.5 solid years of Grienke and then flip him if they can't resign him and get some good players back.
If you are talking about Escobar than yeah he isn't considered elite. He is raw and he has no power at all. Had a terrible rookie season both offensively and defensively. He is projected to be a solid regular but he is limited offensively. The Royals got 4 good prospects but they got didn’t get any young proven major leaguers. Zack Greinke is still young and under control for 2 more years at a reasonable price so most people thought they would have gotten more. Kansas City didn’t have to trade him right now which makes it look worse.
It all depends. Are they getting Cy Young winner Greinke, or are they getting 4.01 ERA Greinke? This could be a great deal for the Brewers, or it could be a complete disaster.
Compared to all the other deals for major pitchers in the last five or so years, the Royals did better than anybody else I can see. I don't want to nitpick, but I think you are in the minority with respect to Escobar. He has all-star level talent. Escobar and Elvis Andrus are generally regarded as the two best young shortstops in baseball. The fact that Escobar had a single poor rookie year doesn't make him trash. If it did, there would be a whole lot of junk players in MLB. Omar Vizquel, who was pretty statistically crappy in his rookie year and turned out alright, is still the name that pops up when people talk about Escobar. Pretty much all your complaints apply equally to Andrus a couple of years ago. As they were going to the world series, I'm thinking that the Rangers were just fine with the fact that Andrus wasn't knocking balls out of the park. The "proven talent" angle I don't get either. The Astros did the same thing the Royals did when they got Michael Bourne. Statistically, his numbers were pretty average prior to that deal. And Seattle did it with Justin Smoak. They were able to look beyond that horrible slugging percentage in Texas and project forward the skills that he brings. When guys have just gotten their feet wet in MLB where you get a feel for them, that is when the fruit is ripest for picking. Younger, and they may spoil on the vine as they climb the minor league system. The list of "awesome" trade pieces who never sniffed the majors is a mile long. But if you wait until they are tearing it up, they are overvalued. I've seen this repeated a bunch, and I think it is really the big annoyance for a lot of people. IMO, there are too many armchair GM's who want all sorts of intrigue and gamesmanship, and the fact that there was none for Zack Greinke leaves them feeling like something is missing. In fact, it was they who were short changed in this deal, not the Royals. (This is in no way pointing a finger at you, but rather the bloggers and some of the national media.) Again, the Royals got two guys who will play everyday for the next five years starting next year. One of them has the potential to be an all-star caliber player. Then on top of that, they got two pitchers with first round of the draft talent. It is both a safe trade (two ready-to-insert starters) and comes with projectable talent, in the form of a guy who you see growing into a front-of-rotation guy and another guy with some problems but that throws 101 mph and has one of the best arms in all of baseball. The two could both potentially develop into very good players with high, high upsides. Their haul was better than what Seattle got for Lee. It was better than what the Blue Jays got for Halliday. On and on, I don't see a single front-line pitcher trade in recent memory that netted a better haul. IMO, the only thing that waiting would have accomplished would have been to satisfy the pundits and potentially sour the deal in the way that the Twins ended up having to deal Santana to the Mets for spare parts because they attempted to be too clever by half.
I wished the Sros would sign back Joe Buck to get some offensive pop in that position while Castro plays once and a while and get his bad up to par with his defense.
Haha Joe Buck Didnt even catch that but knew who he meant/was talking about. John Buck - the once former Astro.
