I doubt we will sell off the team for junk...not Morey's style. Any move Morey makes will be in attempt to get better this season or next. I predict not much "rebuilding" and more acquiring of talent and pieces...whether that works or not will remain to be scene. We will only go so far with a bunch of good role players...we need a superstar at some point.
They are veterans. The best one is not likely to play at a high level again. Unless we can acquire additional good players,or strike gold in the draft(the latter seems unlikely),there is no need for either Shane or Hayes or even Scola. We can't remain in the situation,that we have been since Yao went down,no matter how hard we work. I'm aware that we probably will have to take a bad contract or two along with a good experienced player for expiring contracts. I don't like that either. I would hold on to what we can,and try to rebuild.
Huh? When they expire you get cap space? Which is the point of trading for expirings in the first place? I think expirings in general are pretty overrated. I mean every team in the league has one. It's only useful as a supplement to make salaries match usually and it rarely is a centerpiece of a trade. No one's gonna just trade a star player for nothing. Except the Grizzlies maybe.
i would expect morey to just trade and trade in hopes of parlaying his assets into a superstar eventually before considering the tanking/rebuilding route. i also agree w/ ATW we'll make the playoffs now that phoenix is done and new orleans is slippin fast.
Last night, Bill Worrell said the Gay-for-Battier trade was JVG's doing. Said JVG believed we were THAT close to winning it all that year and thought Battier's selfless play would be the thing that got us there. Regardless of whether or not it was the right move at the time, I'm not sure you can hang that one on Morey, unless you want to blame the new young GM for not standing strong against the established veteran coach.
Expirings are extremely valuable if you need to get rid of big contracts NOW, like the Knicks did last year.
I didn't hear last night's telecast.. but it was pretty well reported at the time of the deal that Batter-Gay was Morey's brainchild. It was also reported at the time that the Rockets would have taken Sefalosha over Gay .. that would have been two swings-and-misses for Morey in his interim year.
There is plenty of need. BTW Hayes is young lol? Veterans are needed even when rebuilding. Someone has to mentor the youth. We have been rebuilding since Adelman took over, whether people want to believe it or not. There has been a huge overhaul of the team with an influx of players that fit his system. Most people seem to think our long term plan has changed, when in fact, it has not. I can pretty much guarantee you that the Williams, Martin and Hill acquisitions, as well as the Scola contract, were made with the idea that Yao might never return. The course is the same as it has always been. Be okay/good and assemble trade assets until an available upgrade can be had via trade. Nothing has changed from that model. When people hear "rebuild" they think: be bad, get a high draft pick, find a new franchise player, and abandon what you have to build around that guy. That just isn't possible with this team. We have too many good players. If we are going to get a high draft pick its going to be by eating a stupid salary, ala how they tried last year with Brand, to get the pick and Cousins. And again, at the draft, when they tried to get Sacramento to send them the pick. We heard the cost was just too high. That should be a clue to us, that Morey isnt going to to anything to get that pick (player)...he is only going to make moves that make us better. I'd love to hear some of your "Rebuilding" ideas. What sort of young piece are we going to get for Battier or Hayes that is worth having?
I think Adelman is gone after this year...I just don't see him wanting to coach a team that has no chance to really contend. DD
I'm not talking about Hayes being a young vet. Neither am I talking about starting from scratch. No one will give Cousins etc,I'm taking about getting a player like Iguodala,he has experience and is young enough to fit with the team ala Martin. We do have good young players eg Aaron and Lowry,some of them are raw eg Budinger/Hill. They need time to improve. If they don't,they will need to be replaced. Veterans are necessary to guide young players,but Shane,Chuck and Luis are more likely to be successful on better teams. I'm not implying that Iggy is a star,but he can fit in with the young players.
I very much support adding Iggy to this team. But I dont see what the point of moving Scola for him is. That seems like a lateral move. But I would rather move a couple non essential pieces. How about JJ + Bud + a pick?
If that works,I'm all for it,although I feel it won't be enough. A good backup center who can rebound/block shots can cover for Luis' shortcomings. I want to clarify a few things, I'm not against resigning Shane or Chuck for shorter contracts,but DM should explore the option of using all expiring contracts.
Budinger and the NY 2012 draft pick would absolutely not be enough for Iguodala, who is not even on the market right now. Why do people continue to think that Budinger holds his weight in trade scenarios? Budinger is a sweetener, a throw-in.. not a main piece. And since our T-Will deal, the only draft pick we can trade right now is NY's 2012 1st rounder.. which presently looks like it will be in the 20s range. So a #20 ish draft pick and Budinger for Iguodala? Not even close.
PoiNt is this REALLY SUCKS now and im not to excited about our future.I for one am really anticipating something getting done for us soon while we have time to salvage the season.....People are on here talk about TANKING the season which is stupid and not a good business move,which is what the NBA is first,A BUSINESS!!Tanking the season is not going to sell tickets or keep you loyal fans glued to the t.v when they play.Thus my point is that we need to make moves NOW from a business standoint which will in turn produce a positive from a fan standpoint.......IT IS WRITEN.
Apparently they turned down Batum and Joel P. for Iggy...it might take a lot more then JJ/Bud/pick. Plus, I believe we can't trade out picks anymore unless it's to NY because of the lotto protection in 2012. It will probably take Hill or PP, Bud, and Lee in some form of combination with an expiring. Might be easier to get Wallace from Charlotte.
