Is one that he have heard repeated quite a bit here on Clutchfans D & D. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-readers-poll-results/ [rquoter]1. ObamaCare is a "government takeover" of health care. -- Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio; Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla.; the Republican Party of Florida; Lt. Gov.-elect Rebecca Kleefisch, R-Wis.; and others: 43.9 percent[/rquoter] Here is the whole article and other top lies. [rquoter] Lie of the Year: Readers' poll results By Angie Drobnic Holan Published on Thursday, December 16th, 2010 at 11:29 p.m. We asked PolitiFact readers to pick what they thought was the most significant lie of the year in 2010, and 3,289 people voted. The decisive winner was the same one PolitiFact editors and reporters selected for the Lie of the Year: the claim that the new health care law is a "government takeover." Here are the readers' poll results: 1. ObamaCare is a "government takeover" of health care. -- Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio; Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Fla.; the Republican Party of Florida; Lt. Gov.-elect Rebecca Kleefisch, R-Wis.; and others: 43.9 percent 2. "The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day." -- Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., 19.2 percent 3. "The stimulus has not created one private sector job." -- Gov.-elect Rick Scott, R-Fla., and others: 13.9 percent 4. "Ninety-four percent of small businesses will face higher taxes under the Democrats' plan." -- Rep. Randy Neugebauer, R-Texas, and others: 8.8 percent 5. The ethics report "exonerates me." -- Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., 6.7 percent 6. "Taliban Dan" Webster thinks wives should submit to their husbands. -- Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., 2.6 percent 7. "Phoenix is the No. 2 kidnapping capital of the world." -- Rep. John McCain, R-Ariz., and others: 1.8 percent 8. Other: 1.6 percent 9. Republicans want to dismantle or privatize Social Security. -- Florida Democratic Party and others: 1.5 percent[/rquoter]
#6 is like the token democrat in this. what's up with that. i guess they would have felt left out if they weren't mentioned at all.
Why does this make the poll irrelevant? They weren't asking people to decide whether or not the statement was a lie. These were all lies and people were voting on which one was the "biggest."
And besides, a ranking as opposed to a poll would be just as subjective. There's really no way to quantitatively measure how big a lie is and whether it's bigger than another lie. All that really matters is that they are all lies. Other than that, it's just another "____ of the year" list.
While I don't doubt there are people who think this is a government takeover, I believe most people fully understand the government isn't taking anything outside of the things they don't do already.(regulating) What is certain to happen (and naturally this is an opinion)is that this atrocious bill will force the entire private insurance system to collapse onto itself and the government will be forced to take over.
this could probably be it's own thread -- via TPM -- Your average Fox News viewer is more misinformed about the reality-based world than your average consumer of news who doesn't watch Fox -- and the more they watch Fox the more misinformed they become, a new study finds. The University of Maryland study, called "Misinformation and the 2010 Election," looked at "variations in misinformation by exposure to news sources," among other things, and specifically newspapers and news magazines (in print and online), network TV news broadcasts, NPR and PBS, Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN. The study found that daily Fox News viewers, regardless of political party, were "significantly" more likely than non-viewers to erroneously believe that: # Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely) # Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points) # The economy is getting worse (26 points) # Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points) # The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points) # Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points) # The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points) # When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) # And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
Do they have a similar one for the international or something combined? This year's Nobel Peace Prize gotta be top the list.
PolitiFact is a joke. Here they quote Uwe Rheinhardt as if he were an impartial observer when in fact he gave $2300 to the Obama campaign. Slate said "the proposed health care reform does not take over the system in any sense.' In a New York Times economics blog, Princeton University professor Uwe Reinhardt, an expert in health care economics, said, "Yes, there would be a substantial government-mandated reorganization of this relatively small corner of the private health insurance market (that serves people who have been buying individual policies). But that hardly constitutes a government takeover of American health care."
these are such biased questions its not even funny. "the economy is getting better." lol. that isn't a fact. that is an opinion. A very nuanced opinion.
You and people like you are the joke. They didn't quote him as impartial, they quoted him as an expert, which of course he is. You disparage the man as hopelessly biased simply because he made a political contribution, which is just simply stupid, but I shouldn't expect any less from you.
Actually, if you use the defined methods of measuring the economy, it is getting better, which is a fact not an opinion.
Lets just look at the stock market as one indication that we all know. Since 2008 thru early 2009 the DJI was on a slide finally to a low well below 8000. Since the bailouts started (even under W), the market has rebounded to nearly 12000. By all measurable indicies, the economy is improving. The only indicie that has returned to pre-depression levels is unemployment ...yet even that is better than it was in 2009.
