If he can play SF i would do it in a heart beat, I haven't watched him enough to know if he can or not tho. If he cant play SF lets stick with making NY our (Insert preferred explicit term) and get either wilson chandler or Landry Fields, i really like both those guys, especially fields!
While I think AR is a knucklehead and he may have attitude problems...if Daryl can flip that pick for him, that is pretty amazing. Considering that NYK are looking like a sure playoff team barring a major injury or collapse.
well i said hill or Pat, so i guess in this scenario Pat is out? Right now Hill seems like the better player/fit, but it's too early to tell how good or bad Pat will be.
then walsh uses that to get the REAL anthony (carmelo anthony that is) let's be real: if knicks can get back that first round pick and get anthony, they win. anthony randolph is a bust.
And im not too sure you want AR at the 3 spot...can he play it and form one hell of a big lineup? Yeah, but i think that's taking away a lot of his individual abilities. His length will probably contest most jumpers very well, but i'd rather have him using it to jump on inside players to block their shots. On the perimeter players have more room to make space and that's not using AR's strength to it's fullest. He'll have a bigger advantage and more of an impact at the 4. He may need to bulk up just a bit, not much more though.
And if we dont trade the pick. Anthony plays the season out, signs with Knicks, Goes deep into playoffs and we end up with a 25+ pick. Id take Randolph over late 20s pick.
What if Melo signs with them in the off season, do the Knicks come out ahead of the trade also? They made that trade with the Rockets so they could get Lebron + another max player. They failed. Had the Rockets not made the T-Mac trade with the Knicks, they still would have had the assets to either trade for Melo or sign him as a FA in the upcoming off season. I'm curious in what scenario do the Rockets come out as losers in the deal? The Knicks didn't sign two max FAs this past off season which was the purpose of the trade.
If we're trading for A. Randolph, I want him to be packaged with W. Chandler..he would be a great Battier replacement.
The pick that we offer for Anthony should be the 2012 pick since NY already has a 2011 pick (the lowest of ours or theirs). If I were Morey, I would offer them the lower of our pick or their pick for 2012, since we currently own both picks. That way, in case there is a lockout for a season, and the 2012 pick order reflects the same order as the 2011 pick, except with a new lottery selection of the same 14 teams that missed the playoffs in 2011, then we will have the higher of the two picks each season and NY will get their low teen to 20's pick for Randolph. At this point, they cannot ask for more. That deal only gets done though once Denver has exhausted all other opportunities and they can't get anything else done. As long as Melo holds out that he is not going to sign with NJ, then Denver has to look elsewhere for a deal. That means that teams like us and Charlotte actually have a shot. If someone can offer Denver slightly more than Galinari, two lower first round picks, an expiring, and possibly Chandler or some other asset acquired using Chandler or another Knicks player, then that team has a chance to rent Melo for half a season or so. My gut tells me Melo winds up a Knick in February. And Morey winds up with AR and turns around and works another deal with another team using Hill and other assets......after we have made Hill look as good as we possibly can.
i posted this in the random trades thread. but If we are going to help NY get Melo, I'd want them to help us with our trade. By getting a trade for melo, NY no longer has the assets to get AI, but might get OJ, But we helped them so they should let us get mayo. lol http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeM...tradeId=23g76j6 NY get: Taylor + Pick houston get: AI, OJ Mayo, Randolph, Chandler Memphis gets; Hayes Phil gets; Battier & JJeffries This would be a huge shift in our locker room. team would be assembled as this. PG: AB, Lowry, ISh SG: AI, Martin, Mayo, Lee, SF: Chandler, Bud PF: Scola, Hill, Patterson, C: Yao, Randolph, Miller Then in 2011 we pick up Priz off free agency And maybe even Oden for spot mins (if healthy). Resign Yao at a reduced. (we'd then have enough injury prone C's to add up to 1 C)
And what exactly are the incentives for Memphis and Philly to make this deal? It looks like you turned on the "trade override" setting on NBA2K11. By the way, you indicated Houston would be getting Mayo, but you failed to show him in your depth chart.
thanks for the catch, I dont have NBA2k11. Sorry it was just espn trade machine. I think all the teams except NY are over the cap. So i think the reason would be to reduce cap and lux tax. philli gets expiring deals - they free up 14mill this offseason because of this trade. Ai was only make 12. And they dont have to deal with AI 4yr contract. Mayo;s name has been in rumors - i am not exactly sure but if they are looking to get rid of him, they would clear up 2.+ mill instanely and another 1.6 at the end of the season since Hayes is expiring. (iam not sure, correct me if i am wrong).. We could also, throw in some cash so they could buy Hayes out and we resign him if we wanted... Also, we only pick up 2 million more in salary, Les would pay lux tax this year but if we plan on resigning Yao it would be at a huge salary decrease. i'd think about 7 mil. I dont know about the cap but I wouldnt think we would to far off from it after that.. Really this trade was to make use of the names on the rumor mill... it probably be a long shot but if it helps NYK gets melo and we get something why not aim for the fences...
rebuilding is hard! it's not that easy I even think it's easier then to succed when a team is in rebuilding mode. Just look at Portland everyone thought that they would be unstoppable with the amount of talent they had 2 years ago. Then the injuries came.....
Lmao@ the guys not wanting to give up a pick in the 20s for Randolph because he "doesn't have a winning impact." Because we all know franchise players come from picks in the 20s.
I think dumping salary makes more sense for Philly since they are on pace to be a lottery team, ONCE again. But in addition to expiring contracts, they're probably gonna want the 2012 Knicks pick, and maybe an asset like Bud or Hill if they plan to unload AI. As for Mayo, Memphis is pretty much still in the mix, but even if they weren't, Hayes for Mayo seems really unlikely, especially since Memphis is loaded at the 4 and 5. And $2.5 million expiring really isn't worth getting rid of Mayo anyways.
I completely agree with you about Jordan Hill. He seems to be overvalued here by a lot. I think he looks like a solid role player. He could probably develop into starter material one day, but he's got a ways to go before he puts it all together. Lamar Odom is actually a great comparison on many levels, the biggest being we won't get as confused when discussing Zach vs. Anthony Randolph, ha. But Lamar is an athletic hybrid that can board, block shots, hit the perimeter jumper and bring the ball down the court. Those encompass a lot more of Anthony Randolph's qualities than Zach Randolph's skill set does. As far as D'Antoni not playing him, I don't read too much into that though I understand your concern. I think D'A plays a rotation of seven.. he seems to be running a tight ship to get those guys on the right track. I just don't feel like AR hasn't gotten a fair shake yet.. which leads me to: In the background of all this discussion is the question of: what's the best way to develop a young player? Make them earn it in practice and on defense before they get on the court? Let them play through their mistakes on the court? There are great examples of both methods. Carl Landry earned his PT through practice and made the most of it. A lot of Rocket fans seem to think this is the preferable method, as opposed to just giving a player opportunities he may or may not deserve. The Heat tried to groom Beasley in this same fashion and failed miserably. Now, the Timberwolves are letting him stay on the court despite making mistakes and he finally looks like the #2 pick Riley drafted. There's just no one way of developing a player that's a catch-all for everyone; so maybe Randolph needs time on the court playing through his mistakes to fully develop into his potential? Randolph saw a lot of inconsistent minutes in Nelson's lineup. That's why so many people loved him.. you could see the skills oozing out from him, but he could never stay on the court long enough on a consistent basis to really show it in the stats. IIRC, in December of his 2nd year Nelson finally relented and said he would start playing Randolph regularly. For the month of December, he was averaging: 25 MPG 11.8 PPG 2.3 APG 6.6 RPG 2.2 BPG (http://tinyurl.com/2a2t8pf) Not all-star worthy numbers (hey, we are talking about only giving up the 20th pick), but pretty good numbers for a kid who was 20 years old at the time and not getting consistent playing time until then. Most impressively to me is the 2 blocks he was averaging in only 25 minutes. On January 8th, he sustained an injury that sidelined him for the season -- so we never really got to see a full season out of him. I don't think it is necessarily fair to say that the kid has or will have a Zach Randolph influence on winning.. or even to compare him to ZR really. ZR was a 20/10 guy in his third year.. I'd be ecstatic if AR ever approached that, especially seeing as we would be giving up the hypothetical 20th pick. But Zach is a lot more involved in his team's success than Anthony has ever been.. so I'd take a more wait and see approach to how AR affects a team's chemistry and wins-losses. At the least, however, you know that AR will be influencing the game on the defensive end. That's more than you can say that Zach ever did. Let's say his offensive game never fully blossoms.. you have a PF that can still get you 2+ blocks a game if given regular minutes. That would pay huge dividends for us defensively. Could you imagine.. since we're dealing in hypotheticals, let's say Yao Ming becomes healthy.. a front line of Yao and Randolph? That's the length/athleticism next to Yao we've been hoping to get for him since he arrived.
Not a long shot, more like impossible...houston rapes 3 teams in one deal. Plus too much depth and bad distribution of money. A lot of these guys are FAs in 2 yrs, you're not keeping them all. No reason to have so much depth at the 2/3 spots and you'll go over the active the roster max of 15 with the free agency signings.
