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[Chron] Kyle Lowry: Legend.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Dec 9, 2010.

  1. ashishduh

    ashishduh Member

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    Yeah, we like to call those few players "winners" lmao.
     
  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    Don't jump on the bandwagon DD, the curse prevails...
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It is just that most players get bothered by "Outside influences" like contract negotiations.

    Hakeem allegedly faked an injury over a money dispute yet he came back and led the team to two championships, was he not a winner when he was mad about his contract?

    Scola needs to watch out next since I was on his bandwagon before he was even in the NBA.

    DD
     
  4. sweetbobl

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    I don't understand those who insist that if Lowry starts, you trade Brooks... or you have to trade Brooks. He could be a huge weapon off the bench. No really good team doesn't have somebody who can score in bunches off the bench. As for convincing Brooks, Adelman is supposed to be a great player's coach. Can he not explain to Aaron that we need a Ginobilli or Lamar Odom or even Jason Terry type impact off the bench?

    I think there's this misconception somebody will offer AB a boatload this offseason. First of all, it'll probably be a lockout. Afterwards, salaries will diminish. Plus, almost every team has a great young point guard and, with most of them, you can argue they're better than Brooks... OR... they might have a good veteran combo under contract.

    Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Tony Parker, John Wall, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris, Mo Williams, Fisher/Blake, Kidd/Barrea, Darren Collison, Brandon Jennings, Mike Conley, Billups/Lawson, Raymond Felton, and even Minnesota has a bunch of junk pt guards locked in.

    Yes, Miami and Atlanta could use Brooks but they have nothing to spend.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    Kyle Lowry was able to withstand Twitter attacks.

    If that's not mentally tough, I don't know what is.
     
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  6. Tom Bombadillo

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    DD where is the "AB supporters" list in your signature???


    Did you take that off this morning?


    What gives?


    Never took you for a splitter DD, I am disappointed...
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    I agree. If we trade one of them, we will be severely thin at PG. Ish and Courtney Lee are not long-term solutions at backup PG right now. Any trade involving Lowry or Brooks will need to get us a PG in return.
     
  8. YaoMac09

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    I take it that RA is off the "AB Supporters" and is now on the "Need to be educated" list ;)
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I rotate my sig, to keep it fresh baby ! The supporters are still there, we don't knee jerk after a couple of good games against weak competition.

    ;)

    DD
     
  10. Tom Bombadillo

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    I agree...
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    And I like you knote32, you are my favorite poster, no way you get banned.

    :grin:

    DD
     
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  12. Ramathorn006

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    Weak competition? Really. Your killin me man!
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    AB likely won't accept a bench role, and he's going to get just as much, if not more, money than Lowry.

    You just can't tie that much money up at one position, especially a position where continuity on the floor is important.

    You have to trade AB, or he walks. Even if there's a lockout and salaries fall, the cap will move with it, and that effectively negates the salary change. The lockout means nothing when it comes to keeping AB.
     
  14. CXbby

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    An Aaron Brooks pull up shot off a pick and roll is not as efficient as a wide open spot up shot from Scola, or a drive to the basket by Lowry(off a PnR). That is not an opinion, but fact. I would ASSUME that the coach would want the most efficient shot each possession. Aaron may think that a fade away off Scola's pick is a good shot, and you may think so too, but it isn't the best shot. You do have a point that it may be up to the coaches to adjust this. But as you know Adelman will never tell Brooks to "just pass it". It is a read and react offense after all. Adelman simply wants the team to make the right decision. Lowry does a better job at that, quite clearly.



    Yes, yes it is a VERY good indicator of success in the pros. But not the way you are putting it. Someone extremely successful in highschool or college may not do so well in the NBA. Adam Morrison, Christian Laettner etc. But someone who has shown nothing in highschool and college, in all likelihood will continue that trend, IF they are to ever make it into the NBA. Budinger BARELY made it into the league. He has showed no improvement for years leading up to this point, and it should not be any surprise that he is showing none now.


    Saying that Brooks can be the starting PG on a championship team is not much of a complement at all... Fisher, Jason Williams, Steve Kerr are all starting PGs on championship teams.

    The reason I would like Lowry to start has nothing to do with his shooting, so his current little streak changes nothing. And he actually shot 5-17 against the Bulls, which is exactly the point. On a night where he is shooting so horrendously, he can still contribute in so many ways, rallying us almost all the way back against a good team on the road. When Brooks shoots like that, and he has quite a few times too, we almost have 0 shot at winning because he truly hurts us in every other facet of the game when not scoring.

    BTW, @Chi last year Brooks shot 3-17 in a 10 point loss. EDIT: I guess he only does well against bad defenses.
     
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  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Do you disagree?

    Kyle killed it against Memphis and Detroit, he has been playing better overall, but was like 4-15 against Chicago.....I am hopeful this is not just a hot streak but even Daryl Morey on his radio show on 610 said he is just on a streak and will probably come back down to his normal 32-33% from 3pt range.

    Either way, let's hope he keeps it up.

    DD
     
  16. DaDakota

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    A good shot is a good shot, period. And Lowry is not clearly better at running it, he looks pass first, and Brooks looks shot first, whichever one generates the most open looks, regardless of whom is shooting it is running it the most effectively.

    I have said all year, when one of the struggles we are still capable of winning when they both struggle we are screwed.

    We need them both. There are some matchups that Kyle is just not going to be all that effective against, unless he can shoot it well.

    And some matchups AB will struggle with, and Kyle will be able to take advantage.

    We need them both, I disagree with you about starting, as I think right now Brooks is a quality starting PG, and lowry a very good backup, and average starting PG.

    Just my .02

    DD
     
  17. spookyoldtree

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    oh $hit...
    Here it goes again!
     
  18. Ramathorn006

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    Well if you are talking about just Lowry's offensive stats then sure. He put of 14 and 8 ast 50% 3pt vs. OKC, only 25 minutes vs. Dallas. We beat the Lakers but not eye popping stats.

    The Chicago game he was 5-17 but that was on a back to back.

    I dont really care about statistics, just wins. The team is playing a lot better, even against good teams. You could make the arguement that Brooks would do just as well as the Lakers and OKC so meh...

    The great thing about Lowry is that if he is not shooting well, he looks to find the hot man and get others involved (a true point guard), and that is something Brooks needs to work on.

    Brooks is more like a Jason Terry spark plug off the bench. Something that we lack this year because Chase hasnt been playing up to his potential.
     
  19. flamingdts

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    I don't think Chase has ever been considered a 6th man.

    Bench sparks can create shots for themselves, Chase is incapable of doing that.

    Brooks would fit that role perfectly. He will replace what we lost in Landry, a guy capable of scoring off the bench and creating his own shots.
     
  20. Old Man Rock

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    Bravo DD. People don't get it. You can be a fan that wants whatever it takes to win. ANd if that isn't Budinger coming off the bench or Brooks maybe being a 6th man, you want what helps us win.

    I am the same way. Most of the season I thought Brooks was the best option to start for this team. But there is no question Lowry is playing the best of his career. ANd if he can knock down an open 3 for this particular team he is my current pick to start. In the end like you I want what helps us WIN.
     

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