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Jennifer Short's Remains Identified

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by giddyup, Oct 4, 2002.

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  1. giddyup

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    This afternoon they positively identified the remains of a body found by dogs deep in the woods about 30 miles from here as those of 10 YO Jennifer Short-- missing since Aug 15 when her parents were found in their Bassett, Virginia home shot to death. Jennifer has been missing since then. She died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.

    Any volunteers for the firing squad when they catch the SOB that did this? I've never fired a gun, but sign me up! <b>Roxran</b>, lessons please...

    Ironically, I met with a man three days ago whose cousin's dog had found the body a couple of days earlier. He says that Jennifer was dumped in a very remote pond that you would not know was there unless you were familiar with the area. They think it's a local that did it.
     
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    Last time i Looked STABBING WAS FREE

    Just stab this SOB to death .. . with short knives

    Rocket River
     
  3. Refman

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    I'll be more than happy to show you how to do it. Stand next to me on the firing line and follow my lead. I hope the guy that did this dies an excruciating death.
     
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    That is such a horriable story, my heart felt prayers goes out to the families of the victims!!
     
  6. giddyup

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    Charge him with B&E, then when we get him here throw the book at him!!!!! :eek:

    I am bewildered why Canada considers their interest in this beast's future more paramount than American interest in justice.

    Somebody 'splain that to me...
     
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    It’s like accepting a refugee. If a person faces cruel and inhumane treatment in another country then by law (theoretically) we will not force him to return to that country, and for us the death penalty qualifies as cruel and inhumane treatment. I say theoretically because, IIRC, Charles Ing was deported using the loophole you describe. There was a fight about that, however, that went all the way to the Supreme Court.
     
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    The last time I checked Canada had an extradition treaty with the US. If this guy is in Canada and the Canadian government does not wish to run afoul of their international agreements then they need to put this guy's sorry ass on a plane to Virginia.

    How the US punishes this guy is not mentioned in the treaty and thus is none of Canada's concern.
     
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    I tell you, it's a wacky world where murderers (of a child nonetheless) get the welcoming and protecting arms that refugees get.
     
  10. Grizzled

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    I refer you to the Charles Ng case as a precedent.
    “John Cosbie, the Canadian Justice Minister, announced that under the terms of a 1976 extradition treaty with the United States, he had refused the request for Ng's extradition as Canada, having abolished capital punishment, would not release any prisoner charged with a capital crime that carried the death penalty.”
    http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/ng/6.htm

    Surely you wouldn’t have us break our law, and even the Charter of Human Rights in our constitution, just because the individual is an unsavoury character, or because some foreign government requested it. The constitution applies to everyone in Canada. Make no mistake though, we were not welcoming Ng with open arms. He shot a security guard in a downtown department store right here in Calgary. Had he stayed we would surely have made every attempt to ensure that he stayed behind bars for the rest of his life. I for one am glad, however, that we won’t extradite people, any people, to a country where they would face torture or the death penalty. If Ng ends up being put to death then we will have made a mistake in sending him back, as we will have broken one of our most important human rights principles.

    It looks like our record is a little spottier than I thought, to our discredit. But it is my understanding that California hasn’t executed anyone in many years, so Ng is perhaps not in danger of being executed. I don’t remember the Kindler case at all so I can’t comment on that one.
    Summary:

    With the exception of the United States, almost all industrialized countries have abandoned the death penalty. For example, countries wishing to join the European Union must have first removed capital punishment from its law codes. It is generally regarded as cruel and unusual punishment, completely lacking in any power to deter murderers. There is the additional concern of an executed person later being found innocent.

    Of the countries with common borders with the United States:
    - Canada abandoned the death penalty for most crimes in 1976 and for all crimes in 1998.
    - Mexico is abolitionist for most crimes. Five states forbid capital punishment in their constitutions. Their last execution was in 1937. It is theoretically possible for the government to execute persons convicted of "high treason committed during a foreign war, parricide, murder with malice aforethought, arson, kidnapping, piracy and grave military offences." However, such action is extremely unlikely. 1
    - Russia retains capital punishment statutes on their books, but have not executed criminals in many years. They executed their last prisoner on death row in 1996.

    When faced with a request to extradite an accused murderer from Mexico to a U.S. state that exercises the death penalty, the Mexican government requires assurances from the state that they will not seek the capital punishment. So do the countries of the European Union. The U.S. routinely gives guarantees that the death penalty will not be imposed. They are often given reluctantly.

    Canada's record has been mixed:
    - 1975: A Native American, Leonard Peltier was charged after a shootout with the FBI that resulted in the deaths of two agents. He was extradited from Canada and is now serving two live sentences in Kansas. There are strong suspicions that he was convicted on the basis of tainted evidence.
    - 1985: An American, Charles Ng, was arrested in Canada for a "spree of sexual torture and murder." 2 He fought against his extradition to the U.S. until the Canadian Supreme Court ruled in 1991 that he could be extradited to California, even though he would face the death penalty. He is currently on death row in a California prison.
    - 1991: An American, Joseph Kindler, was convicted of murdering a teenager who had been scheduled to testify against Kindler in a U.S. burglary case. The Canadian government decided to extradite him to the U.S. without requesting assurances that he would not be executed. The Canadian Supreme Court ruled that the federal government had this power.
    - 1991: A Philippino, Rudy Pacificador, was charged by the Philippine government in the assassination of a provincial governor there, in 1986. The Canadian government obtained assurances that he would not be executed if extradited to the Philippines. His case is still pending in Canada.
    - 1992: A Native Canadian, Lee Robert O'Bomsawin was charged with two counts of first-degree murder in a shooting in Florida. Ottawa extradited him only after obtaining assurances from the state of Florida that he wouldn't be executed. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.
    - 1999: The Supreme Court of Canada ruled unanimously that a Canadian teenager and his friend could not be extradited to the state of Washington for a triple murder case unless the state assured Canada that the accused would not be executed. More details below.”

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/execut5.htm
     
    #10 Grizzled, Oct 5, 2002
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