WikiLeaks is at it again-this time, State Department in "contigency" mode.

Are you freaking kidding me?

 

What, you think these governments are transparent and democratic? More so than the US government?

 

I think our government over-uses secrecy. Hell, even the supreme court case that gave our government state secrets was found to contain no real secrets!

 

Also, perhaps if wikileaks was around when the ramp up to the iraq war was happening we would have gotten another perspective besides the government sanctioned one.

 

He's probably referring to your obsessive need to derail threads with your Islam\Arab\Muslim compulsion.

 

Someone is definitely less than pleased...wikileaks is being bombarded with a 10 gigabit/s DDOS. Wow.

 

My point is pretty simple - because only the internal documents of one government got leaked, it paints a skewed picture.

It sort of puts the US government into a position of moral inferiority and having to apologize to lots of people, when other governments' internal documents would not only not look different, but likely worse.

And then we have someone who works for a government in the Middle Eastern region lecturing everyone about transparency?

It's not like these governments are any more transparent, so I think especially people who work for these governments should be careful about raising their index finger and lecturing others about transparency.

 

ATW, can't you go join a Muslim Hate Group Message Board or something and leave the rest of us to discuss other things in peace? Damn man.

 

This has nothing to do with muslim hate. I just dislike this for the fact that it portrays the US in a worse light than would be adequate, and especially those who work for governments that are surely less democratic and transparent than the US government should not be lecturing about this.

 

We got different perspectives. Few people in or out of the media apparently cared enough to give those perspectives nearly as much attention as they deserved. Not enough to stop a war against a country that was not a clear and present danger to the United States. Not enough to expose an American administration up to its neck in deceiving the people of this country and the world. Result? Weakening the power of the United States and her allies, and strengthening a terrorist regime, the theocracy of Iran.

 

Yeah sure. That's why your points of comparison were "Dubai and other Arab countries."

You have an irrational hatred of all things Middle East. Get over it man.

 

My point of comparison was "Dubai and other Arab countries" because the person lecturing others about transparency told us before that he works for the government of Dubai. Having been there many times I am fairly certain that their government is NOT more transparent or democratic than the US government. Is that so difficult to understand, justtxyank?

It's as if your dirty underwear was hung in front of your house against your will and your neighbors are pointing fingers at you even though their laundry is much dirtier than yours - they are only lucky that their underwear has not been hung in front of their houses against their will. Now you will be known as the guy with the dirty underwear even though your underwear is not dirtier than others'.

If the person had been someone from China lecturing others about democracy and transparency (which has interestingly not happened in the thread), I would have argued with that person about China as the point of reference. See: Thread about North Korea (wnes, who I don't know whether he works for the Chinese government or whatever, but he constantly takes the Chinese government's position).

Your accusation is unfounded.

 

investigative journalism is too expensive. It's more efficient to reword press releases. We want our news NOW!! (preferably in 140 characters or less).

 

I don't know, a heroine in my closet might be nice now and then...

Spoiler

 

Of your 11 posts in this thread, somewhere around half of them are relating to Arab governments.

Yeah, my accusation is unfounded. I wonder if I searched every single one of your posts in the D&D how many of them would be something negative about Arabs, Muslims, the Middle East, etc.

 

Sarah Palin weighs in, as usual, on things she doesn't understand (nor cares to):

 

So? They are a prime example of governments that are not transparent and not democratic. The Chinese government certainly is not either, but as I said, I have not seen Chinese posters on this thread lecturing about transparency.

Go ahead and search if it makes you feel better.

 

though i'm agnostic, every day i kneel down and thank god almighty that that woman isn't president.

 

Greenwald does make some good points but I still don't see Assange and Wikileaks as a hero of democracy and transparency. What I have seen isn't the same as the exposure of what happened in Abu Ghraib or the Pentagon papers. What I see is a lot of stuff meant to embarrass the US and foreign leaders. Assange to me strikes me as someone infatuated with his own sense of self-righteousness determined to take down the power's that be.