Is Bob McNair the most inept owner in Houston sports history?

Don't be ridiculous. If we were as good a baseball/basketball town as we are a football town, the above would happen. The fact that you're even comparing the business side of things shows how little you understand Houston as a sports town. McNair has never ran into money problems because he's a FOOTBALL owner. Did you see how quickly the Rockets stop selling out after our championship seasons? Or how quickly MMP stopped getting crowds after our WS appearance?

So your point is that a team doesn't have to win. It just has to keep its local heros forever. Shouldn't you have quit on the Texans when they passed over VY the Great then?

 

I think the more prevalent question is do they (LA) care.

I've read many comments from LA people that they don't care one way or the other for the NFL, more than enough to do and watch other sports teams in that area. As for the NFL missing that market, considering they are making hand over fist money without them so far, I'd say their attitude is they'd like to have a team there, but can live without it either.

That's the sad thing about this, we're getting bent out of shape over a mediocre team and LA couldn't care less not having a team.

 

I can't say anything bad about this man, he single-handedly brought football back to this city. I am thankful.

 

How do you NOT include Donald Sterling of the Clippers, probably the most inept in all sports of ALL time.

 

James Dolan has singlehandedly demolished two once- proud franchises. The Knicks, in particular, have been beaten so severely that they are crippled for years to come.

McNair is just a hands- off guy who is patient with his coaches. He hasn't had the success, but I think the approach will pay off.

 

The NY Rangers haven't been demolished.

 

The Texans have light years to go before they can become even a fraction of the kind of laughingstock that were the Oilers. The Texans lose games sometimes in dramatic fashion. The Oilers lost games in embarassing and comedic fashion that were the talk of the league. They don't put Texans' games on NFL Football Follies while the Oilers were a regular participant under Bud. The Luv Ya Blue years were their highest peak but you had to swallow a lot of awful football for those 3 years. BIG difference. Again, McNair as an owner is a good man but he is nowhere near the POS that Bud Adams was in Houston. Not even close. He is just clueless about setting up a football operation. And again, if Bud Adams had his way, you wouldn't even have a team in Houston to b**** about.

Yeah, the past two weeks have been tough to take. McNair should fall on his knees every night and send thanks to the heavens that there are still fans like yourself who care enough to still get this mad about his team.

 

This post is so littered with inaccuracies that it's both hilarious and ironic you're chiding me not to "be ridiculous".

I have plenty of understanding of Houston as a sports town, evidently more than you do. No; scratch that--we just see it differently. How many kids are in youth baseball leagues and how many kids are in youth football leagues? How about futbol? Hell, there are almost as many kids playing youth hockey as youth football. Houston is certainly a football first town, but it is not and has never been a football *only* town.

And I could remember this incorrectly, but Hofheinz went bankrupt not because the Astros weren't selling 30K tickets but because he himself went bankrupt--and *all* his assets, the Astros included, were thrown into similar circumstances. In other words, they were in that condition because of the ownership, not because "Houston is a football town".

No, that's not the point. And do you really want to compare Joe Morgan and Nolan Ryan to Vince freaking Young?

 

calm down. attack the take, not the person. it's not that hard. read through this conversation and you can see how it's possible to disagree with people--even pointedly--without questioning their grip on reality or their level of intelligence. intelligent people quite often *do* see things differently--so if someone sees something different from you, enjoy the give-and-take. don't take it so personally and don't quickly assume that your opinion is "truth" or that anyone who sees it differently is out of touch or simply less gifted with reason than yourself. that's all I'm saying.

 

One time less than all the other similarly-governed expansion teams in their first nine years--COMBINED.

With the exception of what the NFL did for the Jags and Panthers, expansion is hard to do, man.

 

• The fans will never, EVER have the kind of influence a take like this assumes they do. The fans are NOT the problem. Just LISTEN to sports radio or read this board, and you tell me how many people are pleased with things as they are. If McNair makes even one decision based on what the fans think, he will be the first owner in history to do so. And here's hoping he DOESN'T do so.
• Why do you assume something is lacking in the other person because they see it differently from you? People, including those with whom you are disagreeing, are calling for Kubiak to be fired. How is that "not caring how bad the Texans are"?

"You people are the problem." Holy crap, dude.

 

Let me clarify one thing about my opinion here (as if my opinion really matters!).

I don't believe fans have much influence and I don't believe they should point fingers at each other and blame each other for a team's mediocrity. It's not Chicago fan's fault, for example, that the Cubs suck. They suck because they are the Cubs, and that is their destiny. :grin: :grin:

But if a fan wants to express his displeasure with ownership, I'm all for that. There is a group of fans who want to wear their Texans gear inside-out to "send a message". OK, whatever floats your boat. Some think fans should "boycott". Personally, I don't think empty seats will effect the kind of change we want--don't you remember how abused Houston was in the national media when the Oilers were struggling to sell out games? No one was looking at the joke franchise. I don't want us to become Jacksonville, or the Oilers, for that matter. But I won't criticize anyone who chooses to do that. (Just don't scream at me if I don't!)

Finally, some fans go to the game, win or lose, because the game is fun. They are not the problem! What kind of influence do we really think they have? I promise you, other revenue streams mean a *lot* more to McNair than a few thousand individual ticket sales.

 

NickScurfield

 

The team hasn't quit.

Big freaking deal.

The season is over already, guys.

But hey, they're gonna play hard for the next 6 meaningless games! WOOOOPPIE!!!

 

If this was the first time it happened, or maybe the 2nd caveated with injuries I could understand it. But it's not.

 

The team will save his job in the regular season by not quitting or turning on him but that SHOULDN'T save him in the offseason.

 

Texans chairman and CEO Bob McNair spoke to the media after practice on Wednesday to share some thoughts on the team.

Here are his full comments:

(opening remarks) “First of all, I want to clarify what I had to say after the game Sunday. I was speaking about the game and the great comeback that we had, and I was very proud of that comeback. But at the same time, you can’t win games playing 59 minutes, and that was the big disappointment. We just have to learn to play 60 minutes and get these things closed out. I was not making any reference to a critique of the coaches or the players by saying they were great, so let me clarify that. None of us are happy with the performance of our team. We are underperforming. Our coaches know that; they say that. Our players know that; they say that. We’ve got to turn this thing around. The way we’ll do that is by playing 60 minutes, and so that’s the emphasis. I have faith in the team. We’ve got a tough team we play this weekend. I think we’re going to go out and win this game, and if we do that, then probably we’ll be in second place in the division, one game out. So my message to the fans is this team has not quit. They’re still fighting and they’ll continue fighting, and I think that you’re going to see some very pleasant things happen in the future.”

(on his thoughts and feelings regarding head coach Gary Kubiak) “Well, we talk about what’s going on and the game and the performance and the various things that I’m talking about. It’s obvious to all of us that for us to come back the way we did after being down and being in their stadium with 80,000 fans up there cheering against us, it was just a tremendous comeback. If we would’ve closed that game out, there’s no doubt in my mind it would’ve been the biggest victory we’ve had, period; bar none. And we didn’t do it. We let it slip away. We just can’t let that happen, and the team has got to realize during that crunch time, you’ve got to turn it up. The other team is going to turn it up. If we don’t turn it up, we’re going to be on the short end of the stick. We’re ready to go forward, though, and be ready to play this game this weekend.”

(on if he is still sticking with Kubiak) “I’m concerned about winning this game against Tennessee. I always do what I think is in the best interest of this team, and that’s what motivates me. And it’s in our best interest right now to get ready and play Tennessee and go out there and win this game, and that’s what I expect us to do.”