Dude, you must be drunk or high or something. You complain that I make it too complicated, then I give my simple opinion, then- what- I'm being a baby or- what - calling you a right-wing? Seriously, you're not making any sense. Then again, it doesn't surprise me. How about this: Ayn Rand and Objectivism sucks. It sucks big fat donkey balls. It's like, uh, I much rather prefer selflessness. Like, when my girl wants to give up her p**sy, I want her to be selfless- I don't care if she's tired and she'd be happier going to sleep, she needs to turn Commie on me and give up her hairpie for my great big wanker. She needs to spread them legs far and wide and give it up for her COMRADE!!! There- good communicating with you on your level.
I agree IceDog, but I don't know where you got semi-socialism from, but, it sounds like you're identifying America as firstly generally socialist rather than firstly generally capitalist? I want to understand what you're saying, you think that America has exhibited, endorsed, and identified itself as more socialist than capitalist?
Fundamentals of life to me include family, faith, work, respect, honor, committment, country, I think these are all things good folks can get behind. I don't think that things need to be complicated or will be complicated with those principles in mind.
So basically you're saying you denounce my view of assimilation, we need to be politically correct and understand the political, social, and economic crutch, I mean, "system" in America that we have no power over and thus are subjected to as helpless slaves to the machine .
Nope, it's a capitalist/socialist country, or it's socialist/capitalist, or it's capitalist/socialist/oligarchist. Who cares? Fact is, it ain't all capitalist, and it ain't all socialist. Truth be told, for 23 hours of every day, I could care less about Republicans and Democrats and Libertarians and Whigs and Independents and Tea Partiers. I work 12-14 hour days, eat sometimes, sleep less, and waste 1 hour waving my d**k on a message board. I do agree that L, L, and the P of H is one of the fundamental bases of our country. I just don't think it tells the whole story.
This is exactly what I suspected, you believe there are some big dogs pulling the strings? Therefore, you denounce the "ruling" upper class (I never said there wasn't one). You believe we will never be free as long as this class exists?
I will never be free as long as my boss gives me deadlines on projects, police officers give me tickets for speeding, my priest tells me how I should live my life, my wife barks at me about picking up my stuff, my kid asks me for money I don't have, legislators pass laws I don't agree with, and people on a message board try to psycho-analyze me. I can't denounce the upper class because I'm in it.
Actually, my kid's good. But, yes, I would be categorized in the upper class, so pass me the strings and I'll start pulling.
Not trying to psycho analyze you, trying to understand you my man. Obviously, you feel controlled bud. All I'm saying is that your boss is not God, police officers work for us and they can suck it, when the wife barks at you to pick up your ****, you do it, and when the kids ask for money, tell them get a damn job. You can't possibly be serious to the fact that this is your interpretation of the suppression of your freedom?
America is the best country in the world. I have freedoms here that I wouldn't have anywhere else. We should do away with all welfare programs. Abortion should be illegal. Capital punishment should be used more. Minimal restrictions on guns. Lazy poor people should get off their a** and find work instead of living off the government. No cuts in military or Medicare, but definitely cuts in education, welfare, the arts, and environmental programs. It is all about self- as long as I pursue my happiness, I really don't care whether or not others are happy- that's their problem. I work hard, I should keep as much of that money for myself and do what I want. No government restrictions, no controls. Pure capitalism- and if people suffer, so what? Tough- that's the way it goes- you can't help everybody. God needs to be a fundamental part of our government- no more of this catering to those damn Muslims and Asians. And no more affirmative action- we've done enough for civil rights- racism doesn't exist in America- it's all fabricated from minorities. Tighten up the borders- keep those people in their country and not in mine where they are taking all of the good jobs. Get people in government who will reduce the size of government to mere nothing- the less government, or even better, no government, all the better. Much better to have Wal-Mart, Exxon, Bank of America, AT&T, Citigroup, Shell, and Chevron dictate policy. I am all about America- Love It or Leave It, Keep Out the Muslims, Keep Out the Mexicans, Arm Our Citizens, Wipe Out the Government, and especially, as Newt Gingrich said, replace all the damn liberals so that we can have a really fair political system. (yawn)
BabyIceDog, you are ridiculous, you can be sarcastic with everything that sounds like a conservative would agree with, but you haven't told me a listing of what you think america should do. All this posturing and sarcasm, and not a single position. Are you incapable of taking a stance and sticking to your guns? At least your sarcasm takes a stance, is there anything that you can offer as a way to do things, not, it's complicated, we need to think long and hard, a manifesto if you will, that you believe should be the future and direction the U.S. should be headed? Is there something YOU can take a stance on, not your conservative alter ego?
In your sarcasm rant, you included that "America is the best country in the world. I have freedoms here that I wouldn't have anywhere else." You're being sarcastic about this, wow, you really do hate America. Come out and say it man, you're a socialist and you hate America, can you take that stance. You probably can, good for you, say **** to Fidel for me.
I tell you what, I'll do it for you: Yeah, yawn, oh my god, this is so lame. Go Obama! Dude, let's go to Starbucks and buy some bottled water so that the Africans can like start building their own wells. OMG dude, we are living so green conscious, dude are you getting at least 20% wind on your electricity? LOL, Jon Stewart, you're hilarious! Dude, that was an awesome speech by Obama, really inspiring. OMG, look at those redneck racist tea baggers, they're so r****ded.
No, that was purposefully vague. You have no idea which one of those I believe in and which I don't. You know why? It's all based on your comment: "I'm trying to understand you." You don't need to understand me- heck, I can't even figure me out. So what if I hate America? I have that right- you do realize, right, that my country allows me the right to dislike it. That's completely untrue, of course, but it is still my right. However, it seems to me that if the measure of a country is its people, then you have a lot more contempt for your country and its citizens than I could ever muster.
You're such a simpleton. You talk about me seeing everything in terms of Dems and Pubs, you pull out the same tired, weak arguments that your "side" does- and yes, whether you agree or not, you are on the right because literally everything you espouse is classic textbook right-wing dogma. Socialism- hey, that's original- the Tea Party called and would like their buzzword back- and hating America- how pathetic and cliched- really, you are like a Glenn Beck mouthpiece. Here's an idea- rather than regurgitating the same old hackneyed crap you hear from whatever sources you follow, why don't you do some actual research on what socialism actually is? And while you're at it, sign up for a Logic 101 class, where they will teach you that to question America is not equivalent to hating America. Far from it. Besides, even the use of the word America is silly. Are we talking about the government? Heck, you hate America worse than me if you define government as a core element of America. Are we talking about our laws? The Constitution? Our people? Our infrastructure? Seems to me that, based on these, you dislike my country more than me. Here's another one- progressive. Does that apply to me, too? Terrific. It's truly unbelievable that there is a contingent in this country that equates progress with ruin. How silly is that? I will gladly wear the label Progressive, as it seems to me that progressive ideas are truly the catalyst that has allowed this country to become the superpower it is. If anything, conservatism is a necessary evil, but it certainly isn't the guiding principle. You know what conservatism would have gotten you in the 1700s? Continued British rule. You know what conservatism would have gotten you in the 1800s? Continued slavery. You know what conservatism would have gotten you in the 1900s? Exclusion of women voters. Crap. Progressive ideas- it's the bedrock of American greatness and just the type of thing that the right tries to bastardize to justify their warped views.
Umm, Jon Stewart is hilarious, Obama delivers great speeches, and green is cool. On the other hand, tea baggers are not all redneck and racist, I don't drink bottled water, and Go Obama! is too vague. But you're getting there. A few books by Saul Alinsky and Howard Zinn ought to do the trick.
Taking a stance? Hmm, sure. I think there needs to be a better infrastructure in this country on assisting the homeless, primarily through occupational-based training, living quarters, and assistance for the mentally ill. I also feel that there should be a reduction in military expenses, but only in selected areas. Those reductions should be used to help improve the system for veteran's assistance in our country- because I work with them and the system we have has too many problems. I feel that there needs to be a reduction in welfare programs and more emphasis on workforce centers to aid in the employment search process. Things that have God mentioned in our government (e.g. the Pledge) should be left alone- however, there should be a halt on bringing in any mention of God in future documents. And Cheap Trick, Rush, and Blue Oyster Cult need to be inducted into the Hall of Fame- they should override Jan Wenner and his stupid panel- because all 3 should have been in 10 years ago. This is one area where the damn government should get involved- period.
What a mess of a thread. saintcougar, I just wanted to point you back to where Max (I think) was leading you. That bolded part up there, it sounds an awful lot like Jesus' life (PBUH), don't you agree? Somehow, Jesus PBUH had an honest day job yet was able to serve others, to the point of sacrificing life for others. What do you think would have happened if carpentry took center stage in His/his life and helping others was left to capitalism?
Jesus was a Capricorn He ate organic food He believed in love and peace And never wore no shoes Long hair, beard and sandals And a funky bunch of friends Reckon we'd just nail him up If he came down again 'Cause everybody's gotta have somebody to look down on Who they can feel better than at any time they please Someone doin' somethin' dirty that decent folks can frown on If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me Eggheads cussing at rednecks cussing at Hippies for their hair Others laugh at straights who laugh at Freaks who laugh at squares Some folks hate the Whites Who hate the Blacks who hate the Klan Most of us hate anything that We don't understand -- Kris Kristofferson
