My definition of what constitutes art might be broader than many, but not THAT broad. I don't think Oliver Stone invented the phrase "Greed is good."
Your loyalty should be with God and Family if of course you believe in God and the institution of family. That is why this Jesus character said what he said. If you have to ask yourself where your loyalty is, I'm going to tell you what a loyalty to money leads to, and that is you will stop worshiping God. However, what if your loyalty does lie with God and Family first, and you happen to be pretty good at something that makes money? So you're saying if people can generate wealth out of their god given talent and skill, they will immediately abandon their belief in God and worship money? So if you're wealthy, you're arrogant and incapable of compassion? Altruism is no different than communism. Do you live your life for the sake of others? This is what you want, you want people worrying about what everyone else is doing? Where does it stop? A Friday night at Commie's house: Commie: "Well you can't have all of that p***y because we can share it with the rest of our brethren who can't get any and now everyone can have some!" Ladarius: "Well, I worked hard for that p***y? I had to **** her ugly best friend just to get close to her. I'm the one she wants to bone, she doesn't want you other guys. Commie, you're telling me you're going to make her have sex with everybody here because she can satisfy the wants of this group of men and women? Of course Commie, you are correct, she should be sympathetic to the needs of her fellow man or woman or both!"
Yeah, that sounds all fine and commie until you say the rest..."that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Sounds to me like all bets are off after creation, it is up to man to take it from there since they have the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. If your version of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is the idea that all men are created equal and thus should stay equal through their lifetime, well, it is your right to believe that.
This is your problem icepick, you equate everything to the tea party and the republicans and left and right and blah blah blah. How about just look at people for what they do? I used to clean offices with my mom and dad when I was 9 years old. We didn't get **** from anybody, no foodstamps, no welfare, nothing. So yes we were out there fending for ourselves. It's amazing how certain principles allowed my family who come from the boondocks of Mexico and myself a first generation American to ascend. First and foremost, everybody worked their asses off, we had respect for ourselves and we took pride in what we did. I lived in the poor part of a predominantly wealthy white area and I made friends with everyone. Everybody that's wealthy and white is villified on this board. If they're so incredibly and inherently evil, why was I not cast as some wetback scrub? Because I don't identify people as this or that or class, this is ****ing America, and if the whities don't like me for being brown, then ****'em too. But I didn't run into that. That' precisely my point. People on this board are afraid to identify themselves as American out of fear that they are some right wing extremist or that they are abandoning their little subculture. Assimilate, be an american which is a strong person who wants to be something, don't give yourself a crutch and say that you're white, black, brown, whatever and you can't do this because of this person or this republican, and your loyalty is to this and that, that's all bull****. You can do whatever you want to do in this country, and I've lived it first hand. So continue to bash and hate America all you want, it is your right.
Look at people for who they are. Got it. Does this reflect you?: A Friday night at Commie's house: Commie: "Well you can't have all of that p***y because we can share it with the rest of our brethren who can't get any and now everyone can have some!" Ladarius: "Well, I worked hard for that p***y? I had to **** her ugly best friend just to get close to her. I'm the one she wants to bone, she doesn't want you other guys. Commie, you're telling me you're going to make her have sex with everybody here because she can satisfy the wants of this group of men and women? Of course Commie, you are correct, she should be sympathetic to the needs of her fellow man or woman or both!" You are what you write.
Yes, I like females and, um, when I have one ready to have sexual intercourse with me, I would not want to share her with the communist state. Is there anything wrong with that? Or is this just too vile of humor, are you're standing for women's rights or something?
"Ambition? Ha! If all I've heard is true, There's nothin' much I can do To change the world, it's irreversible. But in what it lacks, It's got a taste that smacks of somethin' irresistible. Submission? Yes! Now I won't name names, and a secret's a secret, But a hint's a hint or a clue. You really wanna know, you really wanna go, There's only two things you got to do. My mission? Ah, yes! Everybody hear? Everybody here, It's a fate I all agree. Sometimes you win, I never lose, To me it's no mystery. Gonna raise hell, gonna raise hell, gonna raise hell."
The "humor" has nothing to do with it (meaning it's not really funny, as well as that it's not the point). I don't get the whole line of thinking of the thread as well as the analogy. So, Rand's quote says that America became great due to self-interest. Is that the argument, right? Well, then, go tell all the men and women who have sacrificed their lives for our country that the most important reason our country has grown is due to self-interest. Hmm, how come that doesn't apply??? Here's why, because you want a simple answer, you want to drill everything down to the same old tired cliches we've been hearing for years, like a Sammy Hagar record playing over and over again. America became great through a variety of different means, and it wasn't all about self-interest. That's the problem with people like Rand and those that quote her- it's too simplistic. It says nothing about those who have sacrificed their lives for our country OUT OF SELFLESSNESS, about the millions who have helped others OUT OF SELFLESSNESS, etc. The "pursuit of happiness" tells one side of the story- and if one dares to tell the other side, they are labeled a commie and un-American. Well, f**k that, to use one of your favorite words. I'll take a holistic view of my country any day over Ayn Rand's proclamations. The Grapes of Wrath could take out both Atlas Shrugged and the Fountainhead with one punch.
Great CD!! I didn't know that song was about Robert McNamara until I heard it in an interview with Nielsen. CT doesn't really address politics in their music very much, but when they do, it kicks.
Icepick, YOU make it complicated. Let me break it down for you. The sentence reads "This country was not based on selfless service, sacrifice, renunciation or any precept of altruism." The country was not BASED on this commie ****, that's what she's saying. The country was BASED on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's what our soldiers sacrifice their lives for, that is the only thing worth someone's life. They act in a selfless manner because they understand what they are protecting which is life, liberty and the pursuit happiness but they are NOT protecting selflessness. If they protected selflessness, then they are protecting socialism.
You act like there is this big complicated answer, what answer are you looking for? I'm perfectly happy with my simplistic view, because I don't think the fundamentals of life are that complicated, nor do I think there is an all knowing answer on how to live your life. You discount everything if its not some drug out conversation citing 10 different things, then it's not intellectual. And you're so damn tired of what I'm saying because you've heard it a million times, what is it that you don't like?
Furthermore, the military does not directly protect the citizens of the United States. Our laws protect us. The military fights to preserve and protect the existence and sovereignty of the country, thus protecting our rule of law, thus they fight to protect our way of life. If the military had direct control over the safety of our citizens, we would be Cuba.
Now observe the results of a society built on the principle of individualism. NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. THEREFORE, FALSE. This, our country. The noblest country in the history of men. SUBJECTIVE. BUT AGREED- WELL, AT LEAST ONE OF THE NOBLEST COUNTRIES. The country of greatest achievement, greatest prosperity, greatest freedom. SUBJECTIVE, SOMEWHAT AGREE. This country was not based on selfless service, sacrifice, renunciation or any precept of altruism. NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. THEREFORE, FALSE. It was based on a man's right to the pursuit of happiness. His own happiness. Not anyone else's. NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. THEREFORE, FALSE. A private, personal, selfish motive. Look at the results. Look into your own conscience. NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. THEREFORE, FALSE. There. Simple. Direct. Satisfied? Good. Done. Bye.
You're not talking about the fundamentals of life, you're talking about the political, social, and economic system in America. No, it's not simple- it's complex and it requires difficult, well-thought decisions.
Alright IcePick short, and sweet, this is exactly how I did it???? Once again, you can't come back on the simplest of **** without being a little tussy baby or calling me a right wing republican. Once again, I come back on your little ****, and you leave in a tuss. Expected, but I hoped for better. I mean, is this your form of sarcasm because I said your **** is drug out?
Our country has been semi-socialist since it's beginning. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to study our history, our government, our laws, etc. There are certainly benefits to socialism as well as capitalism. I would certainly agree that communism has not worked. But pure capitalism ain't all it's cracked up to be. And our country's socialism has to be kept in check, as well.
