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Iraq Rejects Proposed UN Resolution On Inspections

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  1. X-PAC

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    Looks like Iraq's tune is shifting from allowing inspectors in "unconditionally" to "any additional procedure is meant to hurt Iraq and is unacceptable". Is the US-drafted Security Council resolution really unfair to Iraq? And whats with Iraq calling the Americans and British Zionists as of late? Propaganda?
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    Foxnews.com

    U.N. Draft Resolution Threatens Use of 'All Necessary Means'

    UNITED NATIONS — Iraq has already rejected the terms of a no-nonsense U.S.-proposed Security Council draft resolution forcing the country to give up all weapons of mass destruction and to allow U.N. weapons inspectors unfettered access to all presidential weapons sites.


    White House spokesman Jim Orr told Fox News Saturday that "compliance with the UN resolution is not a matter of negotiation. Iraq simply needs to comply; Iraq needs to disarm and honor its commitments. There is no negotiating with Iraq."

    Iraq has threatened a "fierce war" if attacked.

    Iraqi President Saddam Hussein would have seven days to agree with the resolution, and Baghdad would have to comply with the new arms inspection rules within 30 days or face military action. Saddam would also need to quickly present the council with a list of banned materials in Iraq's possession.

    The resolution would threaten the use of "all necessary means" against Saddam if he doesn’t comply.

    But Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan on Saturday rejected the draft.

    "Our position on the inspectors has been decided and any additional procedure is meant to hurt Iraq and is unacceptable," Ramadan said.


    Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz warned Saturday that the United States would suffer major losses if it invades Iraq, and an influential Baghdad newspaper denied U.S. accusations that Iraq had links with Al Qaeda.

    "Any aggression on Iraq will not be a picnic, instead it will be a fierce fight where America will suffer losses that have not been sustained for decades," Aziz said. "Iraq is determined to resist and defeat any U.S. attack."

    Aziz accused "Zionist circles" in Britain and the United States of pushing the two nations into war against Iraq to serve Israel, and added: "They (the Americans and the British) are trying to redraw the map of the Arab region in order to control its resources."

    Meanwhile, U.S. and British leaders continue to use diplomatic means to persuade other permanent members of the United Nations Security Council -- France, Russia and China, who all have veto power -- to overcome grave concerns and back the proposal designed to rid Iraq of any nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

    On Saturday, Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, who met with French officials in Paris on Friday, and British diplomat Peter Ricketts, went to Moscow to meet with Russian officials. London sent a second envoy to Beijing for talks with senior Chinese officials.

    "Our purpose here today was not to negotiate a text, was not to come to any agreement," Grossman said after meeting Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov and Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Saltanov. The Russians "had some questions, we tried to give some answers."

    Ivanov told Russian television the U.N. inspectors should return to Iraq "as soon as they can" to "give a clear answer to the question of whether Iraq has weapons of mass destruction or not."

    The sessions included U.S. Ambassador Alexander Vershbow and Peter Ricketts, political director of the British Foreign Office.

    "We put out an extensive dossier a few days ago and that's obviously going to be a subject of discussion around the capitals of the five (permanent Security Council members) ... This is a process that is going to take some time," Ricketts said.

    Officials say the draft gives the inspectors the right to designate "no-fly" and "no-drive" zones in Iraq. Currently, "no-fly" zones in the north and south of the country are patrolled by U.S. and British warplanes.

    The resolution also would nullify assurances U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan gave Saddam in 1998 that restrict inspections of presidential sites, including Saddam's palaces.

    The resolution also wants to end the Iraqi practice of assigning government guides to accompany inspectors throughout the country. It details Iraq's violations and specifies what Baghdad must do to correct them, especially "full, final and complete destruction" of weapons of mass destruction.


    Bush has called French President Jacques Chirac to try to win his backing for the U.S.-British proposal. But Chirac resisted, telling Bush he opposed threatening Iraq with military force before inspections.

    Chirac, instead, urged Bush to back a French approach for two resolutions -- a first one calling for full compliance and cooperation with inspectors, and a second one authorizing force should Iraq fail to comply.

    While Secretary of State Colin Powell and other U.S. diplomats strive to gain approval for the resolution, the Bush administration is struggling to persuade Congress to authorize the use of force against Iraq.

    Bush said he was willing to wait and see if the United Nations could force Saddam to disarm before the United States acts on its own.

    "I'm willing to give peace a chance to work. I want the United Nations to work," Bush said at a Republican fund-raising event in Denver.


    But Bush said action must come quickly.

    "Now is the time," he said. "For the sake of your children's future we must make sure this madman never has the capacity to hurt us with a nuclear weapon, or to use the stockpiles of anthrax that we know he has, or VX, the biological weapons which he possesses."

    Meanwhile, Israel Foreign Minister Shimon Peres told Israel Radio that his government's been talking too much about a possible U.S. strike against Iraq. That country’s prime minister, defense minister, army chief and others have all spoken in detail about the dangers posed by Iraq and Israel's possible role in a U.S.-Iraq war.

    Peres said it's important to avoid creating the impression his country is encouraging the U.S. to go to war and Israel should merely declare it would defend itself if attacked.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.
     
  2. Truth

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    Welp, they're gonna die.
     
  3. MadMax

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    THIS should be the thread with the most hits right now...

    why are we not talking about this? the implications of Iraq snubbing the UN...and whether the UN wil act or not...are pretty important, if you ask me. of course, you didn't ask me! :)

    of what value is a governing body if it doesn't have the will to enforce its own orders? why is such an institution even relevant?
     
  4. Nomar

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    All I can say is this. If Bush doesn't hit Iraq with everything he has pretty soon, he is a big ****ing douchebag p***y.
     
  5. MacBeth

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    Maybe I misread, but I thought this was about Iraq objecting to, or 'snubbing', if you prefer, the US's proposed draft resolution, which has yet to even be voted on, let alone ratified. Not that Americans ever assume that what America wants is what the world wants, but maybe we should try and clarify the distinction.
     
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  6. Refman

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    Maybe so. The problem as I see it is that Iraq is currently in violation of multiple UN resolutions. The terms of the already passed resolutions requires Iraq to disarm...and to allow UNCONDITIONAL inspections. They are flagarantly violating those resolutions. The UN has not seen fit to enfore their own resolutions in this matter...so I second MadMax's question...why are they relevant if they do not enforce their binding resolutions?
     
  7. MacBeth

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    Again, I may be wrong, but I thought that there were conditions ascribed to the weapons inspections, and that is what the Iraqis are now objecting to; the fact that these conditions are being eliminated in the US' proposition. I thought that the 'unconditional' stipulation wasn't part of any resolution, but just a baloon they floated about a week ago in the press. Not that I have absolute faith that they will comply with the already resolved UN stipulations, but I'm again looking for clarification.
     
  8. Major

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    Maybe so. The problem as I see it is that Iraq is currently in violation of multiple UN resolutions. The terms of the already passed resolutions requires Iraq to disarm...and to allow UNCONDITIONAL inspections. They are flagarantly violating those resolutions. The UN has not seen fit to enfore their own resolutions in this matter...so I second MadMax's question...why are they relevant if they do not enforce their binding resolutions?

    Well, the US Government has "resolutions" against jaywalking too, and we don't enforce them. So is the US government irrelevant? :)

    Seriously, though, the UN is *very* weak right now on security / military concerns -- there's no doubt about that. However, it's "word" still has more weight than a single country. Notice how quickly Iraq at least came to the table when he feared UN action as opposed to US action -- the potential is there to be much more useful than unilateral activity if it gets a backbone. This weakness is something that can hopefully be rectified with the upcoming resolution on Iraq backed by force. Another example of this is that Arab countries need an attack on Iraq to be a UN action in order to support it, because it gives them political cover from their people.

    However, the UN does tons of good in other areas not related to security (health services, aid programs, education, etc), so it is certainly a useful and relevant organization IMO.
     
  9. No Worries

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    I find Iraq's opinion on the wording of any UN resolution against them irrelevant.
     
  10. heypartner

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    refman, MacBeth and MadMax,

    these are only proposed resolutions. By rules of the surrender terms, inspection stipulations are agreed to and ratified. What Iraq "unconditionally" agreed to was renewed inspections as previous mandated. There is a Ritter Op-Ed piece in the Chronicle today that explains it further.

    <a href="http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/1595474">Vigilante Justice Won't Do; Bush must follow the law</a>

    Ritter says that Iraq has agreed to inspections as mandated in the currently presiding UN stipulations that were ratified. Bush is pushing through another one, and until he does, Ritter is saying that we must stick to the previous one, but that he is all in favor of striking if Iraqi fails to comply 100%.

    US and England proposed resolution wants "tougher" inspections and the OK to attack if Iraq does not capitulate (again this is only proposed), and Ritter seems to imply the new stipulation are not really necessary, what they agreed to a few weeks ago should suffice for the inspectors to do their job.
     

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